View Full Version : William Clay, Henry II, and Benson Mark II's

11-13-2009, 02:35 PM
Hello All,

Barry, I see you're on here! There was a blurb on this site in Hagerty's Magazine, so I figured if there was a "registry", that our three Mark II's oughta be signed-up.

Problem is, there's only one field for one VIN #. My father owns three.

Specifically, we have all three of Ford's Grandson's cars. William Clay Sr., Benson, and Henry II

William Clay's (Honolulu Blue with blue/silver interior) was modified by Ford in 1968 with a 460 driveline.

Benson's (Green Lucite Metallic with white/green cloth interior) was modified by Ford in 1958 with a 430 driveline.

And Henry II's (black with black Hartz cloth roof, black/grey broadcloth interior) is a stock 368.

We've had William Clay's finished (restored) for many years, some of you may have seen it around.

Benson's was just finished this September, got its 1st-Junior at Hershey, and then won Best-of-Show at Lake Mirror.

Henry II's is finishing-up right now, and has to be done in time for Amelia Island, where all three cars will be displayed together.

Anyhow, HELLO!! My father Jim ownes the Marks, but he's not a computer guy, so all internet activity falls on my shoulders...

If anyone can solve my issue of getting all three VIN's into the registry, please advise...

Barry Wolk
11-13-2009, 03:17 PM
That would fall to Shelly as the wizard of the site. You could just register three times.

Welcome, to you and your dad. Hope he'll join us. I've posted the article about WCF's hot rod Mark II around here somewhere.

I sent you an e-mail awhile back regarding cloned plastic wheel covers for the Mark II, but Shelly came up with some acceptable replacements.

Glad you could join us.

Edit: You guys really need the Derham Mark II convertible to be the crown of your collection.

11-13-2009, 03:57 PM
Yes, the Derham car would be nice, but I've got a feeling that dad's current sentiment is that he's spent enough $$ on Mark II restorations to last a lifetime.... Or several!! ;);)

Will you be attending the LCOC meet here in Ocala next year? You've really gotta see how the Benson car turned out, and the Henry II will be finished by then as well...

Dad went nuts sourcing materials for them... He had all the interior materials, carpeting, headliner, insert cloth, custom-made to match original samples and the original Continental trim book, as he wasn't satisfied with the correctness of what was commonly available. We even got the short-pile "corn-row" trunk carpeting made. The Benson car is something to see...

Barry Wolk
11-13-2009, 04:57 PM
No, I don't show my cars in points-judge events. I like people telling what they like about my car, not what's wrong with it.

I don't think points-judging is wrong, it's just not for me.

Did you source a proper hood liner material? Many here could use some.

11-13-2009, 05:16 PM
We did, and LLoyd and Jeff (the restorers) "created" the hood pad per-original, but I don't know where the ingredients came from... I'll see if I can't find out Monday...

I like both kinds of shows, I don't get terribly worked up about the outcome of either... But the points shows can be extremely helpful in recognizing things I otherwise wouldn't, which is a good thing. And in other cases, the Judges learn things they otherwise wouldn't have known, as we've caught many a judge trying to apply faulty or over-generalized standard.

Without "do-lists" from judging sheets, I've got nothing to diddle with in the shop, and nothing to hunt for at Hershey!! :)

Shelly Harris
11-13-2009, 08:33 PM
Hello Rick..Welcome to the forum. I have modified the registry to allow more than one car. Use the "User CP"... click the "Edit your details" link and go down to the end of the page...there you can add in the other cars.

Chuck Lutz
11-14-2009, 11:24 AM
Rick, great to have you guys with us. That's some collection. I've seen random photos of the WCF car but hope you'll be posting some pictures here of the cars and their appointments.

Barry Wolk
11-14-2009, 11:50 AM




Barry Wolk
11-14-2009, 11:53 AM
And, the article I wrote.





Chuck Lutz
11-14-2009, 12:16 PM
Thanks Barry... very interesting.
How do you suppose they shoe-horned in that 460 motor (on WCF's) and 430 on the other? I think I read somewhere that when it was done Ford kept pretty good records of the mods that had to be done to the car. The 56 stock 368 was 285HP (? I think) with the 57 being 300hp. I think the 430 was only 300hp. I wonder what the benefits were for the change.

Barry Wolk
11-14-2009, 12:18 PM
Possibly it was a weight and size advantage. The 368 is a big, heavy, engine.

Shawn Newcomb
11-14-2009, 12:26 PM
Probably two-fold

One is torque. Big motors make big torque. There are entries on wikipedia that lay out the specs and lineage progression of the Lincoln (they call them that) Y-blocks '52-57 and also for the MEL series engines 383,410,430,462

Secondly and way more importantly from an image standpoint if you are head muckity-muck you want to be seen in your latest and greatest technology. Showcasing the rollout of you newest drivelines. Imagine what a big deal the first big block engines would have been coming so closely on the heels of the invention of the OHV V-8 just a few years earlier. Why of all people should you be seen in yesterdays news? (Even though WE like them better)

Barry Wolk
11-14-2009, 05:36 PM

Are you taking anything to Amelia Island? Got an invitation today for the '55 Continental.;)

Florida in March is OK by me.

12-01-2009, 09:18 AM

Are you taking anything to Amelia Island? Got an invitation today for the '55 Continental.;)

Florida in March is OK by me.

Sorry I took so long to reply..., it's been busy.

We'll have all three Mark II's there at Amelia. I believe that my father has spoken with the owner of the Derham car, and there's a chance it may be there. And he's also digging-in his heels on the "cold case" of the original retractable concept. This is for a "Special Continental" display-only class that Bill Warner conjured-up once he realized he could have so many Ford family Mark II's in one spot. I'm pretty sure that the Duba's "Eleanor Ford" Mark II will be there as well... Years ago that car belonged to my great-uncle, ironically enough!!

I also haven't forgotten to get the details on the hood pad, I've just been covered up between Turkey-day and expansion of our facility.

Barry Wolk
12-01-2009, 02:48 PM
Well, since we've already had the Mark II convertible at Amelia, back in 2003, Bill's asked us to bring our tiny "Continental", the '55 Porsche Cabrio.

Although, I'd love to show my Mark II with yours.

02-03-2013, 06:17 PM

My Classic Car Season 8 Episode 13 -
YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlkPtQMiZ8w)

My Classic Car Season 2 Episode 5 - YouTube

Barry Wolk
02-26-2013, 08:27 AM
Rick's black car took a top trophy at the Boca Raton Concours. Congratulations to Warren Wubker for his class Excellence Award.

Both cars were beautiful.

02-26-2013, 03:08 PM
They came out while I was in line and switched the award to Best of Class.
Great to finally meet you.

Barry Wolk
02-26-2013, 03:21 PM
Well deserved; your car was meticulously prepared, as was Rick's. Both fine examples. It's a good thing there are no young judges as my car's starting to show the miles I've put on it.

That's Warren's car behind mine. It was very nice meeting you, too.

05-31-2013, 11:28 AM
I wound up getting Most-Elegant Post-War Closed... But it took them two months to find the award and ship it to me... There was ALOT of confusion in the awards presentation!!! :o

Barry Wolk
05-31-2013, 11:37 AM
Let's hope Pebble is less confusing.

05-31-2013, 02:13 PM
Barry, what was that you were talking about with the "plastic reproduction wheel covers?"

Barry Wolk
05-31-2013, 02:18 PM
There are no reproduction plastic caps. What I was referring to were some caps that Shelly came up with that are suitable drivers. Can't see the caps at 70, anyway.:)