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Pat Marshall
02-19-2022, 07:36 AM
There are many mentions of the JC Daniels auto auction throughout the Forum and in the individual cars involved in our Registry Histories. However, I am taking the opportunity to bring this together in one place.

I'll begin by quoting some JC Daniel's background history from the RM Auction advertisements for the auction:

"...As a 16 year old in 1937, his sister got him a job at the Pampa City swimming pool as a life guard...That fall he moved to Pampa and ceased his public education by taking a job at the body shop of Tom Rose Motors, the local Ford dealership. Soon he opened his own body and radiator repair business that he ran in the evenings after his day job at Rose Motors...One day in the late 1930?s, he knocked on Mr. Rose's door and boldly asked if he could buy his dealership...(instead) Mr. Rose helped young Daniels acquire the local Lincoln/Mercury dealership! When he returned to Pampa in 1946 after a south Pacific stint with the army he found himself in one of Texas? many oil-boom periods, a state which helped to establish his Lincoln/Mercury dealership as the largest in the Ford Motor Company's regional division...In 1961 J.C. Daniels sold his Lincoln/Mercury dealership and got into the oil business. Now a wealthy man, he returned to his first love of Lincolns in the 1970?s as he began to amass what is likely the world's large single collection of the marque."

What followed was a relentless pursuit of Daniels of Lincolns and Continental Mark II?s and apparently condition didn't matter. Daniels liked to tinker with the cars, changing colors and interiors and modifying them. The most surprising example was a Mark II that he converted to four headlights and painted lavender with a white and lavender interior.

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Daniels died in 2000 and the hoard of cars remained in the family's possession until they were sold by RM Auctions in 2003. The following is an auction description by RM.
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"The world's largest Lincoln car collection will go under the hammer on February 20-23, 2003 in Pampa, Texas. RM Classic Cars has been appointed by the Estate of eccentric oil man J.C. Daniels to auction, entirely without reserve, a mind-boggling hoard of Lincolns many of which appear to be in excellent and usable condition.

Included are 130 4-door Continentals, 47 rare Continentals MK II?s, 33 4-door convertibles, 42 Lincolns from the 1950?s, 8 mid-1940?s Continentals and 6 pre-war Lincoln Zephyrs...according to the Estate Administrator, he bought three final Lincolns from his hospital bed that were delivered the week after he died, much to the surprise of his widow!"

The following are photographs taken at the auction.

THE CONTINENTAL MARK II's
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THE LINCOLNS
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Pat Marshall
02-19-2022, 10:44 AM
Not all of them sold at the auction, but all were disposed. I believe Jack Rosen, Mark II Enterprises, purchased some of the unsold Parts Cars/Hulks

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Mr Baker
04-19-2025, 03:13 PM
[QUOTE=Pat Marshall;57039]Not all of them sold at the auction, but all were disposed.



I am trying to buy a car from the JC Daniels auction of 2003 what was lot 112 that day( 1957 mark 11 Maroon #3 condition) from the grandchild of the buyer that day. I am wondering if I should as I see a wide price listing for what it brought .some things say $11,200.00 some $61,000.00 the few photos they have sent me look very good outside under the hood and the interior . but this clubs coverage of the auction I take it the cars some looked good but many had bad frames ect

jdsnoddy
04-20-2025, 06:46 AM
I think you are mistaken. Not lot 112. Believe it was lot 211. Please see above. VIN is 3528.
https://www.markiiforum.com/showthread.php?11359-3528-F-S-eBay-BIN-25-000
It was purchased for $12,100 in February 2003 but that is ancient history and is irrelevant in my mind. As we have no info on the frame, you should personally inspect this car before you buy it. My guess is that since it was bought by a professional Ford dealer that chances are good that it is a solid car. The car was graded a #2 at that time.
There were eight 1957 models for sale that day and every one of them sold. Please see the attachment above.

Mr Baker
04-20-2025, 02:53 PM
Yes was lot 211 not 112. The seller says his grandfather worked for J.C. Daniels In the 1940's he/she says they were at the auction with there grandfather and they drove it home that day . They wont tell me anymore and respond to my asking for more photos a video or an address where it can be inspected even though I am giving there asking price with no haggling

jdsnoddy
04-20-2025, 08:04 PM
Please see the link above. Includes YouTube video. Located in the Wheeler Texas Ford Dealership. Since the grandchild lives in Dallas, that would be quite a hike back and forth to show the car. Maybe grandchild could arrange a local wheeler friend to let you in. I would want an assurance that the engine was not seized and the frame was solid. eBay should cover it up to $50,000 if it is misrepresented. It is at the high price point for a project. Just sayin'.

Mr Baker
04-21-2025, 05:51 AM
Thank you for all the info and help you have been which they could have easy told me them self. I think if I do not get this one I may start looking for a good one. I always heard how wonderful of a car they were But until last week never thought about owning one. I buy what i like in cars but have they held there value even with everything down right now? Is there design helping to hold there value up or are the people who knew these cars now getting old and the younger people do not value them ? I am 63

Barry Wolk
04-21-2025, 06:28 AM
It's clearly a problem with supply and demand. There are sometimes 6+ in Hemmings every month. It should have been a $100,000 car 20 years ago. They are not, by any standards, rare.

jdsnoddy
04-21-2025, 07:19 AM
I agree with all of Barry's comments. I would encourage anyone interested in buying a Mark II to buy the best car they can afford. These cars are not an investment. They are a hobby. Expensive parts and high labor rates put them out of reach for most people. You should love your Mark II more than your bank account balance. Erratic economic markets usually encourage folks to sell their Mark II s. Increased supply usually lowers the price.

That being said, the experience is priceless.

The legal issue of having no title also bothers me. Grandpa bought the car. Granted. But who is to say that the grandchild has the authority to sell the car? And sell the car on behalf of whom? Him/herself? A trust as a trustee? An administrator or executor of an estate? And who's estate? Does the dealership own it? I would definitely try to resolve any ownership issues before buying this car.
Other joint owners could be unaware of this transaction.

Mr Baker
04-22-2025, 05:07 AM
I do not think I want this after finding out it is not the original color it is Maroon and was originally green or that is what this forum shows I think I will look for another one in its original color

jdsnoddy
04-23-2025, 08:54 AM
Hello Morgantown. I was born and raised in Clear Creek, Indiana just 5 miles south of Bloomington. Small world.

Barry Wolk
04-23-2025, 10:44 AM
I do not think I want this after finding out it is not the original color it is Maroon and was originally green or that is what this forum shows I think I will look for another one in its original color

A car can be just as valuable in another Mark II color, if done properly. However, leaving the trunk or engine compartment original while shooting the rest of the car a new color is a big devaluation, as is reupholstering in vinyl and worse yet, literally cutting the corners on new leather. Nothing is more obvious than that.

jdsnoddy
04-24-2025, 06:37 AM
Yes. I agree. Poor workmanship on a color change and interior is a turn off and hurts the value.This car was graded as a 2 but I would grade it as a 3 driver. I don't think seams in the bolsters should qualify as a 2. The owner says he has all the legal paperwork. He and his brother jointly inherited the car from their father in February before last. They spilt the proceeds 50-50. Car sold on eBay $23,300. That was a good result for a project.