3843 - Activity

[Barry Wolk]

What is known about this car?

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Looks like a Thunderbird exhaust damper that won't work in that position. It's clearly a '57. I wonder if it was made from a new car?

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Definitely looks like Derham script.

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What is that color?

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Those tail lights, that roofline. Looks like the vortex behind that window would suck it right out of the frame.

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Would love to see how they did the window mechanism.

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The potential buyer is asking for the serial number.

[Pat Marshall]

Barry, where is this being advertised? Thanks.

[Barry Wolk]

Barry, where is this being advertised? Thanks.

I don't believe it has been advertised. My friend is chasing it.

[jdsnoddy]

Color looks as if it might be: D21- Tan Iridescent
But the rims appear black which is unusual; so the factory color could have been black. We need more pics.
V/R,
John

[Barry Wolk]

I’d say it’s whatever color that is under the hood.

[Pat Marshall]

The only other Derham badged car that I have found in my data bases is 1193. The car was originally black and then later dark green with a vinyl top.

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This was a J.C. Daniels' auction car.

Our registry history has a great deal on 1193. This car had the Continental hump.

https://www.markiiforum.com/showthread.php?1860-1193-1955-Original-Invoice-Not-Found-*-JC-Daniels-Estate-Car-*-Derham-Modification&highlight=1193

[Barry Wolk]

This is C56S3843. Last titled to Donald Vanlear Early in 12/71.

[jdsnoddy]

3843. Woo hoo! Another found from the class of 1984.
Well done.
Happy holidays.
J

[Milsteads Garage]

Says “diverted from service” according to our records. Very interesting car!

[5219]

To my eye, it looks kind of crudely done. Derham cars, even if they were ugly, were done in a workmanlike manner. I am suspecting a fake that somebody put a Derham script on.

Alan R Harris
C56D2744
C56B2119

[Barry Wolk]

I suspect you have no proof for your assertion. What, specifically, was crudely done that makes you cast dispersions on its origins? I see exactly the opposite. When compared to the diving platform Derham with the small rear window and shaved trunk I’d say they were done in the same shop. While not pretty at all I see no reason at all to call it a fake.

[Barry Wolk]

I've written to the Director of the Gilmore Museum, in possession of the Derham Body records, for confirmation or denial, that it was a Derham project. I think we should await their response before labeling it a fake. That assertion can make a custom Mark II owner's life miserable, I assure you.

[Barry Wolk]

IDK, the shape and size of the rear window, lack of quarter windows, shaved trunk hump and build quality look pretty similar to me.

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[Pat Marshall]

For the moment I have updated my Database - Not the Forum Registry History - as follows:

VIN: C56S3843
SPEC: D21-1D3G-??
PROD ORDER NO:
ENG#: NEEDED BODY TAG NO: NONE
DSO NO: NONE
DSO DETAILS: NONE
NAMEPLATE: NEEDED

OWNERSHIP HISTORY:
INVOICE #1 (F)
Invoice Date: 4/4/57
Date Shipped: 4/17/57
CONSIGNED TO:
Lincoln Division
Dallas District Sale Office
SHIP TO:
City Motors
2100 Cedar Springs Road
Dallas, Texas

INVOICE #2 (F)
Invoice Date: 6/27/57
Date Shipped: DIVERTED FROM SERVICE (CM-44270)
SOLD TO:
Superior Motors, Inc.
232 North Marsalis Street
Dallas, Texas
Customer: None

OWNERSHIP HISTORY:
1957 Superior Motors Dallas, TX
1957-1970 No History Found
12/1971 Titled to Donald Vanlear, Unknown Location (M)(1)
1972-1977 No History Found
1978-1984 Reported by LCOC Unknown Owner AZ (L)
1985-2020 No History Found
2021 - Car located, information pending. (M)

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:
(1) 12/25/21 Reported by Forum Member, Barry Wolk

OTHER INFORMATION:
Original Invoice Specifications - D21 1D3G
Continental Color: Tan Lucite
Trim: Trim: Light Beige Leather Seat Biscuits, Medium Beige Leather Seat Bolsters w/Light Beige Welts
Padded Instrument Panel
Front Bumper With Lic. Plate
Air Conditioning
Directed Powerloc Differential
Firestone Tire Size: 8:20x15 4 Ply
- GAL GAS, - QTS OIL, 7 QTS. ANTI-FREEZE
Invoice Amount: N/A
INVOICE #1
Invoice Comments: Days in Transit Allowed: 6
Invoice Handwritten Comments: CM-442770
INVOICE #2
Invoice Handwritten Comments: DIVERTED FROM SERVICE (CM-44270)

The car was in Company Service for only two months. This was late in the run, so I'm not thinking it was in Service as a company executive or sales car for that time, and I doubt it was sent to an auto show.

I've checked the Forum and LCOC records and did a Web search and have found nothing, sp, I'm looking forward to additional information from Barry.

[Barry Wolk]

Could CM be a credit memo?

Please explain how there are two invoices for the same car.

The Derham records have been digitized. I asked to gain access to their files. I'm also curios what happened to the other two convertible tubs sent by Ford.

Yes, I agree that it wasn't built as a show car that late in the game. What month did production stop? Did I ever post about the letter I found asking what to do with the last 3 bodies from Owosso?

[Pat Marshall]

More than two invoices was not uncommon. This happened when cars were sent to a sales office for display at a car show, hotel lobby, sales meeting or other venue. Typically an invoice was issued to a sales office and then after the event a 2nd invoice was issued to a dealer who would then sell the car.

This happened when a car was assigned to an executive for a short period and then was sent to a dealer. This also happened when a car was re-assigned to a 2nd dealer after the 1st invoice was issued.

I believe all of the international sales had 2 invoices. The first was from FoMoCo to the overseas Ford entity buying that car and the 2nd was by the overseas entity to the off-shore dealer or customer.

[Barry Wolk]

More than two invoices was not uncommon. This happened when cars were sent to a sales office for display at a car show, hotel lobby, sales meeting or other venue. Typically an invoice was issued to a sales office and then after the event a 2nd invoice was issued to a dealer who would then sell the car.

This happened when a car was assigned to an executive for a short period and then was sent to a dealer. This also happened when a car was re-assigned to a 2nd dealer after the 1st invoice was issued.

I believe all of the international sales had 2 invoices. The first was from FoMoCo to the overseas Ford entity buying that car and the 2nd was by the overseas entity to the off-shore dealer or customer.

Great info.

[Pat Marshall]

Barry, I was looking at the last picture you posted and I’m sure I’ve seen them somewhere- just have to figger where.

[Pat Marshall]

I GOT IT, I GOT IT!

It is a Derham Conversion!

In 1973 Buddy Holiday reported this in his CMOA magazine - CMOA 1983 Vol 7, No. 1 - "Does anyone have any information on this Mark II? This is an ad that I picked up somewhere, probably around 1971-72...This ad is the only information I have ever had on the car as I have never heard of it before or after"
FORUM NOTE: The following is the text for this advertisement. 1957 ALTERED MARK II Lincoln, over $9,000.00 alteration made by Derham Body shop, Rosemont, Pennsylvania. Alteration made to rear and to interior, two passenger instead of four. Light tan, factory air, full power, motor and body in excellent condition. Price is $4,000.00 firm. Donald Early, 233 Ann Street, Staunton, Virginia 24401. Phone 703-886-4176.

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It was displayed at the Gilmore in 1995 at a Derham Exhibit and reported in the Gilmore CCCA Museum Herald, Vol VI, No 2, Summer 1995. "Custom Lincolns by Derham Exhibit - "#1002 (Gilmore ID Code) 1956 Continental with special vent wings built for Frank Thomas of Texas. Thomas' Continental rear view showing recessed rear window and "wind-creased body contours. Note special rear tail light pods."

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My 3843 Database History and the Registry now read:
OWNERSHIP HISTORY:
1957 Superior Motors Dallas, TX
1957-?? Frank Thomas, TX (L)(1)
1958-1970 No History Found
12/1971 Titled to Donald Vanlear, Unknown Location (M)(3)
1972-1977 No History Found
1978-1983 Reported in LCOC Directory as Unknown Owner AZ (L)
1983-?? Donald Early Staunton VA (C)(2)
1984-1994 No History Found
1995 Displayed at Gilmore Museum "Custom Lincolns by Derham" Exhibit (L)(1)
1996-2020 No History Found
2021 - Car located, information pending. (M)(3)

https://www.markiiforum.com/showthread.php?4304-3843-1957-Superior-Mtrs-Dallas*OO-Frank-Thomas-Derham-Conversion*2021-No-Owner-Info&highlight=3843

[Barry Wolk]

Great info.

[5219]

I stand corrected about its origins. I have seen several other examples of Frankenmarks, but this one is the ugliest.

Alan R. Harris
C56D2744
C56B2119

[Barry Wolk]

It was made by Derham, but in 1959, not 1957. That's a distinction with a difference to some. I see it as a coach-built oddity that has no connection to Ford, at all. But, it is a coach-built oddity, and that seems to do OK at Concours. My friend's pockets are not deep enough to want another Mark II restoration under his belt so he was thinking about flipping it, but the in was too high. This car needs everything. I'm in a position to do it, but I don't know that I have it in me.

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[Barry Wolk]

Sure, great filler cap, for a tractor.

I'm not seeing much hack work, just a bunch of incongruent design. At least it doesn't have a Continental kit.

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The bean bag ash tray on the console says it all.

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What were they thinking? Maybe in black it would be better.

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It looks like it's all there.

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Here you go, Pat. Add this info to your database.

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[jdsnoddy]

Previous forum thread circa 2021:
https://www.markiiforum.com/showthread.php?10089-3843-Another-homely-Derham-custom-Is-it-in-the-database&highlight=3843

Please read:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/318217280964

Seems to be mostly complete. Needs everything.
Motor spins free and runs
Does not drive, or brake.
Mileage indicated: 59,106 TMU

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This 1957 Continental Mark II is a true American luxury icon and one of the most distinguished automobiles of its era. Known for hand-built quality and elegant styling, this survivor example features original carpets, leather seats, good tires, and retains much of its authentic character. The engine turns over and runs, making it an exciting restoration candidate or preservation project. With timeless design, exclusivity, and growing collector interest, this Mark II presents a rare chance to own an important piece of automotive history.

Located in Morganton, NC 28655

For more information, please call 833-265-6113 and mention ID 26016

[Bob Hansen]

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[Bob Hansen]

Pictures From Owner:
Andy Spencer
Morgantown, NC

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