Hood Liner-1957

[Ron Howard]

Keith - Thank you for the detailed instructions on how to make a hood insulator. I have printed them off to have for future reference.

Barry - Good idea about the motor mounts! I will check to see if they are loose or in need of replacement.

Yesterday I was able to pick up the NOS hood insulator that I bought from Mad Scientist. It is Part No. 4050655, dated 10-8-62 and measures about 5/8" thick. It is apparently a replacement hood insulator and may or may not be exactly like those used in production. The hood insulator does not have a hole cut in it for the air cleaner. I would assume that the buyer would have to cut his own hole to fit his particular air cleaner or leave it as is.

It appears that the hood insulator covers the inner hood as well as the material that I have on my hood which is sandwiched between the outer and inner hood metal

In looking at the illustration of the hood insulator in the Master Parts Catalog - Chassis and Body, you could almost argue the hood insulator may have had some kind of finished edge, like a binding.

I have included some pictures and have also tried to show the pattern of the material used in the replacement insulator.

Ron

[Keith W Colonna]

Ron, The hood liner you got from Mad Scientist is the smaller one used on the 57 as I have been told by the experts.
Doc, the same experts tell me that the early MKII's had the full hoodliners...the 57's had the smaller one.
This is confirmed in the MKII encyclopedia and the Buddy Holiday book.
The function of the hoodliner is moot. It was a design element that should be reproduced in a restoration. It is certainly easier than many of the things we attempt when we restore these cars.
Ron, my detailed post (somewhere in the Forum) stated that the binding was a herringbone pattern...and available from an upholstery shop, but must be colored gray to match the correct original color..grey...told to me by the experts.
I also listed a source for the mesh.
Please, procede and keep your car correct. Again, call me and I can discuss

[Don Henschel]

Ron? Have you seen this type of matterial around before no that you have an NOS liner. It's the material one has to find once you know the shape.

[Ron Howard]

Don - The material appears to be fiberglass and is very light, which would agree with what Keith said and the Buddy Holiday manual about the '57 liner. I would still like to see some pictures of either original or reproduction liners as installed in the Mk II.

Ron

[Ron Howard]

Barry -

Thanks for the pictures - it sure helps to see what we are talking about. In the hole for the air cleaner, does there appear to any kind of material, backing, etc. or is it just the metal of the hood? I am wondering if the liner/insulator covered the material I have on my hood (see pic. on first post)?

Does any one know if the '57 liner/insulator had a cut out for the air cleaner and if it had a binding around the outside?

[Don Henschel]

Hey Jack, what about the late 56 like mine and 57 Marks. They had like a pressed fiberglass pad. Where do you get the proper material for that?

[Pat Marshall]

Jack Rosen sells them.

[linc64]

Since this thread is about hood liners, I thought I'd post an interesting tech tip from the November 1976 Continental Confab that I came across this evening.
Al Wilkiewicz wrote:

"Will a General Motors part fit a Continental Mark II? It will! The under hood liner for a 1957 Continental Mark II can be purchased from a Cadillac dealer's parts department. The liner is actually a universal item, (part number 1477269) and has to be trimmed to fit the Continental. When installed it looks just like the original liner except that it is about one quarter inch thicker. However, this applies to the 1957 Continental Mark II only, the 1956 liner is different. The price? (sit down on this one!) Just ten dollars retail."

[Kevin Garrison]

There is an active and productive discussion ongoing regarding the earlier hood liner / blanket. My car is #3380, one of the later 1956 model cars. Differentiating it from the earlier cars, it has only one hood light, placed in the centre. It is my understanding that it would not have the same hood liner that forum members are seeking to recreate.

That said, what would be the correct hood liner for my car and is a reproduction currently available? My car sports the seven (I believe - not currently looking at the car) piece cut out padding that fits rather precisely under the hood. It looks good and I am sure protects the paint from the engine's heat, but I don't think it is original. I'll reference my literature, but your input is appreciated.

Kevin.

[Doc]

My understanding is that the later cars (with one under-hood light) had a one-piece, V-shaped spun fiberglass insulation pad that covered the majority of the hood. The seven piece, fitted padding that you describe sounds like what Jack Rosen sells as an alternative to the larger one-piece pad. In either case, I believe he has both of those items in his catalog.

[Don Keller]

Nick,

I am interested in making a blanket for my '57. Was it your understanding as well that the majority of the Forum belieives that late Mark IIs indeed had blankets? If you could either post or email (LanaDonRobert@AOL.com) exact dimensions; pictures; and how to order the material; it would be greatly appreciated. Even if it doesn't fit after I make it, it should make a great poncho (head through the hole).(:-))

Thanks.
Don Keller
C56R3838
Jackson, TN

[Barry Wolk]

The '57 blanket was much smaller and triangular.

[Nick DeSpirito]

I've searched the net for a picture of a '57 with a hood blanket. Barry's right, it's vee shaped. Perhaps if you browse in the documents section, maybe in Buddy's book you will find a picture of what it looked like.

Here's a picture of a '57 from The Imperial Palace Collection in Las Vegas. I saw this car in person while attending an LCOC board meeting. Looks like it needs a pad too. I'm pretty sure it follows the vee contour on the hood, but I don't know the exact dimensions.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/1956_Lincoln_Continental_Mark_II.JPG/800px-1956_Lincoln_Continental_Mark_II.JPG

[Barry Wolk]

I hate seeing the Mark II displayed with its hood up. That's so not what the Mark II is about.

[Nick DeSpirito]

I agree, but I was glad it was so we could view the engine compartment. :D

[Barry Wolk]

I have no problem opening my hood upon request, but then it gets closed. The rules in our Concours are that we only allow hoods up in the last hour of the show.

[Pat Marshall]

The above pictured car is a '57 and that's a '57 hoodliner in it. Also, in reference to another comment in this thread, '57 hoodliners do not have cut-outs for the air breathers.

Jack Rosen carries '57 Hoodliners -
1957 Mark I I Hood Insulation Pre-Cut 1 pc HO004A 55.00

[Pat Marshall]

'57's didn't have the glued on 7-piece black waffle pattern insulation like the '56's, just the triangular shaped liner.

The 56 hoodliner was screwed to the hood in several locations and also was secured by metal bows. The 57 hoodliner was glued in place.

[Don Keller]

Pat,

Mine has.

Don Keller

[Nick DeSpirito]

This was sent to me by Stan K to post. He also sent me a picture of a '57 with a hood pad, but is in PDF format. If anyone know how to covert it and can post it, I will E-mail it to you. Let me know. He said these cars were very original. This pad came off of C56E2902.

The '57 clearly shows that it is vee shaped and does have a cut out for the air cleaner and it also shows the 2 bows holding it onto the hood. I can also see the single hood lamp. It is mounted directly behind the center of the hood pad.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4090/5157315291_879f3ae2be_m.jpg

[Nick DeSpirito]

Finally figured out how to convert a PDF to JPG. Actually, I used ask.com to find out. :D Here is the '57 Stan sent me. This is VIN 3687.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1194/5157943201_ea2278fb4a_m.jpg

Pat, ya beat me to it!

I see what you mean about it being damaged. I guess that's just an impression of the air cleaner in the pad and the right side is cut and hanging.

[Rick Payton]

My car has a lot of 57 items... is my hood a 57? I have the single hood light and the 57 style AC with no nostrils.

[Barry Wolk]

Nostrils went away long, long before the '57 changeover.

Your hood could be a replacement, although Mark II parts are not totally interchangeable as the parts were made to match each other, not necessarily other cars. Letters I saw in the files said that the early cars were the worst, but car bodies made by Mitchell had some repeatability problems, too.