Hood Liner-1956

[Ron Howard]

Does anyone have pictures of the correct hood liner or pad for the Mark II. The manual shows a liner or pad with a hole cut out for the air cleaner (see pic). Mine has probably been replaced at sometime and the air cleaner hits the liner or pad.

Ron

[Barry Wolk]

I'd say that those marks on the bottom side of your hood are from a motor mount gone bad. The engine bucks under acceleration which would have the undesirable effect of the air cleaner contacting the hood.

You can check that with the hood, up, engine running, in drive, with your left foot on the brakes. Blip the accelerator pedal and you will see your engine rise up slightly if you have a bad motor mount.

[Doc]

Like most of us, I suspect, my hood liner (what was left of it) was removed when our car was repainted most recently. As an early 56, ours had the single liner like Ron's picture and they are not readily available--although, I think Jack Rosen may still have one NOS liner, but at an understandably premium price--while replacements for the multiple piece set of the later cars are available.

In any case, I've spoken with a number of people about replacing the liner and have gotten conflicting responses. Some have indicated the liners were largely for aesthetic and/or sound-proofing reasons. Others have indicated they performed a critical role in keeping heat off the hood and its paint job. If they are really just there to muffle sound and look good, I could do without replacing it--the bottom of the hood looks good and I don't find any added noise offensive. If their job is to protect the paint, I'd want to replace it--maybe follow Keith's approach to replicating one. Anyone have thoughts about how critical a role the liner plays (given that I'm not particularly concerned about judging standards)?

[Barry Wolk]

It's purely a sound deadener. I believe they wanted the car to be as quiet as possible at idle. People never hear my car coming.

[Chuck Lutz]

The old hood hinges can hardly support the weight of the hood. Add another 10# of stuff and they'll never work right. LOL

[Keith W Colonna]

Ron, The hood liner you got from Mad Scientist is the smaller one used on the 57 as I have been told by the experts.
Doc, the same experts tell me that the early MKII's had the full hoodliners...the 57's had the smaller one.
This is confirmed in the MKII encyclopedia and the Buddy Holiday book.
The function of the hoodliner is moot. It was a design element that should be reproduced in a restoration. It is certainly easier than many of the things we attempt when we restore these cars.
Ron, my detailed post (somewhere in the Forum) stated that the binding was a herringbone pattern...and available from an upholstery shop, but must be colored gray to match the correct original color..grey...told to me by the experts.
I also listed a source for the mesh.
Please, procede and keep your car correct. Again, call me and I can discuss

[Don Henschel]

Isnt that a a new old stock liner pictured there or is it after market?

[Barry Wolk]

I'm told that my liner is correct.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/barry2952/1%20Mark%20II%20docs/IMG_3728.jpg

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/barry2952/1%20Mark%20II%20docs/IMG_3730.jpg

[Nick DeSpirito]

Mine is like Barry's too.

[Nick DeSpirito]

Here's a couple of shots of my hood liner, but it's not an original one.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2709/4038475932_8028f3768d_m.jpg

Here's a close up of the weave. It looks a lot looser in the picture, but it's a tight weave and I can't see through it.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2703/4037728225_6c0d15e65b_m.jpg

And while I had the camera in hand, I took a few shots of the interior and a back shot. :D

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2756/4037728251_f038857807_m.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2565/4038475986_41ce27498f_m.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2743/4037728289_4ddfc7ced6_m.jpg

[Keith W Colonna]

Nick, your car looks awesome. Again, I apologize that we didn't meet on my recent trip up to NJ. I have been notified of two more meetings in Nov and Dec. I'll be coming up the night before for a one day meeting, flying out of LGA.
I'll contact you regarding my itinerary when it gets fine tuned. Thanks, Keith

[Nick DeSpirito]

Thanks Keith, Looking forward to meeting you next time you're in the area. I had it out on Monday to clean it up. It needed a bath after the trip to and from Lancaster. I had the driver's side parking/directional light socket wire replaced two weeks ago and now realized that the parking lights were not working, but the directionals were working fine. I took it back to the electrical place Thursday morning and he found that the filament for the driver's side parking light was broken. A new bulb fixed that side. On the passenger side, a wire had come loose on the junction box that's located next to the radiator. Both parking and turn signals are working now. :)

[Dennis Wolfson]

HI. I'm a new member with a white ' 56 Mark ll. I was about to order one of the 7 piece hood sets (whatever that is) from Mr. Rosen.

I don't show mine and don't care about the hood pad any more after observing all of your helpful remarks.

I do have one question though: will it help to keep hot air out of the cabin? I live in Florida and have excessive heat from somewhere.

This is my lst question so any help on eliminating this interior heat will be very much appreciated.

Dennis Wolfson

P.S. Mr. Wolk, I met you at Amelia Island Concours when you had your beautiful MK here (Jacksonville). You were very gracious to take time to answer all of my questions.

[Doc]

Most interesting part of that car, to me, is the relatively intact hood liner. Seems like the last thread we had going on that topic was sort of conflicted over what an original one looked like exactly. Given the state of that car, I have to assume that's an original 56 hood liner in pretty good shape considering...

[Harry Nicholson]

Doc-
I'm wondering the same thing about the hood liner. My car is a white one with a light blue top. It has a tan tweed hood liner that I feel pretty sure is original. Looks just like the one pictured on ebay. Could they have done tan hood liners on some of their white cars?
Harry

[Shawn Newcomb]

I'll bet they were the same color for every car.

[markiient]

'56 Mark II's originally came with "Tan" hood blankets. I can verify this as all of my N.O.S. material and virgin vehicles are tan in color. I personally sold several of them in tan and then the L.C.O.C decided they should be grey. We then dyed the fabric to satify judging. Several years later, Jack Pugmire offered them in grey.

A mirror bracket was duplicated for the right side. It's a beautiful reproduction-Exact as the left but reversed. Only one was made and no one showed any interest as it could only be viewed by the passenger.
Jack

[Stank-67-98]

Good to see u here Jack, your input is valued!!!

[Shawn Newcomb]

Ahhh! A definitive answer for something Mark II related. I love it.

Regardless of judging, I believe I would have mine in tan. NOS and virgin vehicles have higher 'believability quotient' in my book.

[Chuck Lutz]

Jack, are there any of you old ones left in either color?

I still haven't given up looking for the jute (or sisal) material in order to duplicate these. I really think it's a handsome addition for the engine compartment.
This is so frustrating. It's got to be one of the cheapest materials on earth but I haven't been able to find it. It's used as backing for carpet and rugs.
I've even thought if I could find a rug with a jute backing similar to the photos I've seen and if it were large enough, I'd sew it up with the edging (which is available) bottom side out and install it.

[Barry Wolk]

It seems to me to be a more finished jute than you see on furniture or backing on carpet. I had a friend in the industry look, and they came to the same conclusion.

You could have some made, but the minimum order would probably be equivalent to redoing all remaining Mark IIs.

[Harry Nicholson]

I have the tan hood liner in my car that I believe is original. I am curious as to why LCOC chose to switch to grey. If I show my car at an LCOC show with my original (tan jute) liner, will I be docked for that?? That hardly seems right.

Harry

[Shelly Harris]

What's the purpose or reason for a Hood liner?

[Doc]

There seems to be some debate on this, but the majority opinion is that they were there to reduce external engine noise.

I've also heard that they served to protect the hood from excessive heat that might damage the paint, as the Mark II hood was so low/close to manifold, etc., but that seems questionable, given that so many of us are driving around without hood liners any more, without apparent damage to the paint...

[Barry Wolk]

I believe it was to make them even quieter than the were. They wouldn't really protect against heat as heat would rise right through it.

[Doc]

So one of these is correct, but which onehttp://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz238/markii1956/IMG_0032-1.jpg

or this one?
http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz238/markii1956/IMG_0034.jpg

[Barry Wolk]

Mine looks more like the weave of the bottom one.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/barry2952/1%20Mark%20II%20docs/IMG_3730.jpg

[Chuck Lutz]

I've had this discussion with Jack several times but I don't think he has any. Jack was making them in tan. He talked to the Authenticity folks and was told that they should be gray. (I think I remember this correctly) As such I think he shelved the idea. Jack, pipe in here, please.
If I could find a source I'd be ordering one and I, frankly, don't care if it's gray or tan. :)

[Doc]

Chuck - That's consistent with what Jack indicated in his post earlier in this thread. I also need to get one. Jack, maybe you'd could sell a pattern, if your not interested in reproducing the whole product? At least then we could have something to take to an upholstery shop to get some sort of replica made--whether it's tan or gray...

[Ian Cowie]

A squirrel got into my liner this winter and chewed a hole through it and shredded the lower edge binding. I removed the liner and found a piece of jute to patch the hole and then tea-dyed some white binding tape to somewhat match the existing color. I glued the patch in place and sewed on the binding tape. Looks okay now.
I just downloaded the "AskBuddy" document and noticed that it states: These two hood liner supports are not visible other than the edges near the edge of the hood liner and perforate the liner approximately 6" on either side in the case of the forward support and approximately 10" in the case of the rear support..
This does not seem to match the method that my liner is attached as can seen in this photo (http://photos.cowco.net/displayimage.php?pid=753&fullsize=1):
http://cowco.net/pics/mkii/P1010006.JPG

Am I just reading the Restorer's Guide wrong?

[Barry Wolk]

Fixed your link. Your liner looks like mine.

[Pat Marshall]

I believe I have the same liner. I called Lowell about it, a couple weeks ago. He asked me to check the binding around the air breather hole to see if it was vinyl or fabric.

Lowell said that the first run of repro liners was by Narragansett Products. He said the NP liners were tan, with a vinyl binding around the air breather hole . Lowell also said the originals had a notched or indented area to allow access to the hood ornament fasteners. He said that this notched/indented area can not be seen, but can be felt by sliding your fingers above the liner.

So, I checked, mine it is tan, has vinyl binding around the breather hole. and isn't notched...viola, made by NP.

Lowell said that he believes some of the early MKII Hood Liners were tan, although he has never seen one. He said that every verified original liner that he has ever seen was Grey.

Lowell said that there were two subsequent runs of reproduction liners, they were both in grey with all fabric bindings. The first run was by the daughter of the NP owners. This run did not have the recess in the liner in the star fastener area.

The final production was by Jack Pugmire and had the fastener area recess. Jack lost his fabric source and stopped making them.

[Rick Payton]

I need one as well..... I will take any color.

[Pat Marshall]

When I talked to Jack Pugmire about the hood liners that he made, he said he used an original liner that Al Davenport loaned him. I asked Jack if he still had the pattern for the liner. Jack said he threw it away when he stopped making them. :(

I called Al to see if he still had the liner that he loaned Jack. He said that the liner was from his car that he was restoring and that he put a new one from Jack in his car. He said he threw away his old original one. :eek:

Al said that Jack's liners were beautiful and if anything were better than the originals.

[Chuck Lutz]

I have been in an email exchange with a nice lady in Guangix, China. The sisal shown in my previous post is available up to 150CM wide. (About 60")
As I don't have a hood blanket on my car or my car right now, could someone check the nominal width of the blanket to confirm 60" could work?
I was upfront with them about the probability of the potential order only being about 500 yds of material and they didn't have a problem with it only saying that the cost would reduce with a larger order.
I got a horseback quote of less than $2 /yd. landed in LA but not including duty or customs which in past experience was about 12% more.
I mentioned to them that the weave they show is coarser and seems to be a thicker yarn than our "control sample" (Barry's & Doc's pictures) and inquired if the weave and yarn could be matched more closely, even if it be a custom weave.
IMO, the cost (quoted so far) seems reasonable so I think it's a good jumping off point. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[Rick Payton]

I am in for a hood blanket... I have people that could make them with a pattern.. Anybody have extra hood rods and brackets?

[Chuck Lutz]

Not a problem. I have a metal shop. We can re-produce the rods. I don't have a blanket but all my original screws, washers and rods are in tact. I just need to find the right material. Then we'll deal with color, patterns and edge bindings.

[Rick Payton]

I am in on any help needed....I am sure a lot of people on here would need one...

[Pat Marshall]

Everybody!

I hope to receive the well used but intact Naragansett repro that I bought from an EBay seller. I will be happy to loan that to make a pattern from. Just let me know where to send it.

Don't forget Jack Pugmire was the last one to make these, and he is a goldmine of information on how to do it.

[Barry Wolk]

Make sure it fits your car before you use it as a pattern. Being under the hood for so may years has surely shrunk the original material from its original dimensions. Material shrinkage would make it too taut and make it rub on the radiator, like mine does.

[Pat Marshall]

Chuck, it looks about 58", so 60" is right on.

Barry, Miki at Narragansett said to add about 1" per side to allow for shrinkage .

[Barry Wolk]

It does get cold in Ohio.:)

[Nick DeSpirito]

Chuck,

I'd like to purchase some of the jute too for backup since it's so hard to get. Also, whatever I can do to help, let me know.

[Chuck Lutz]

I don't want to get too far ahead of myself (What a silly saying) yet but if we can get them to reproduce the weave and yarn diameter, send a sample and get the correct color I'd like someone close to the LCOC judging to get that approval. Nick, you might be the best guy for that. Whereas, the judging aspect has little importance to me personally, I'd like the work we put into this to be useful to those who participate in the points events.
As for extra material, that won't be a problem.
As for the width, the 150CM with is really about 59" so it looks like that will work, agreed?

[Nick DeSpirito]

According to Pat, 58" will work. So I guess we're OK. What color is it, natural?

[Chuck Lutz]

Yes, natural tan.

[Doc]

Chuck - Like everyone else without a hood liner, I'm anxious to see if we can find a suitable material. I've got another shot of a hood liner in the natural tan from a high quality restoration (not sure who the supplier was). The material seems to be somewhat more "refined" than the sample picture you posted--do you have any sense of what they generally sell this stuff for? I'm trying to narrow down my own search--is it generally used for bags or for furniture or ?

http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz238/markii1956/IMG_0032.jpg

[Pat Marshall]

I took three pictures of my Narragansett Hood Liner in my car. I also placed an edited picture of the hood liner that Doc just posted. It appears to me to be the same as mine.

Narragansett's were tan. I believe that Jack said that some of his first ones were tan. Subsequently Gray was established as the judging "standard".

[Chuck Lutz]

Yes, I see what you mean. Your photos seem to be much more open and less "hairy".
In the latest exchange overnight she sent photos of other weaves. I'm not sure we aren't getting further away from our target. See photos below. These look more like burlap (perhaps that's what sisal is?)

In my response today I asked about Jute as I've heard of these hood blankets referred to both ways. We'll see what comes back tomorrow (or Monday).

[Stank-67-98]

When I bought #3687 it had the original CHARCOAL-GRAY liner. I purchased several gray ones from Jack. Gray is the correct color for the liner as to the LCOC Authenticity Manual (page 60) and we judge by those standards.

[Doc]

Still looking at fabric stores/suppliers in west LA. I'm getting an education in jute, sisal, and burlap (jute comes from a fiber plant originally from Asia; burlap is what Americans commonly call the coarse cloth made of jute; sisal is a fiber that comes from a North American agave plant...); but, unfortunately, not closing in on what we're looking for. I've got some recommendations where else to look and will do so early next week (suppliers down in garment district apparently not open over the weekend).

[Pat Marshall]

When I bought #3687 it had the original CHARCOAL-GRAY liner. I purchased several gray ones from Jack. Gray is the correct color for the liner as to the LCOC Authenticity Manual (page 60) and we judge by those standards.

Stan, Jack Rosen made this post on 2/27/2010:

'56 Mark II's originally came with "Tan" hood blankets. I can verify this as all of my N.O.S. material and virgin vehicles are tan in color. I personally sold several of them in tan and then the L.C.O.C decided they should be grey. We then dyed the fabric to satisfy judging.
Several years later, Jack Pugmire offered them in grey.

After talking with Lowell Domholdt, I made this post on 5/14/2010:

“Lowell said that he believes some of the early MKII Hood Liners were tan, although he has never seen one. He said that every verified original liner that he has ever seen was Gray.”

I subsequently talked to Ed Pease from Narragansett Products. I asked him why they made the hood liners in Tan. He said that in the early 60’s Ford gave him the source of the liner material which was tan, and that they (Narragansett) made their production pattern from an original tan hood liner taken from an original car.

Stan, the Gray ones you purchased from Jack were probably tan ones he had painted gray after the LCOC decided the standard for the hood liner was to be gray.

Your profile does not list a VIN # for a 56 Continental. If you do own one, I am hoping that it has a correct gray hood liner. If so, we would all greatly appreciate a picture.

[depmike38]

O.K. I'm a little puzzled by why if you had a tan one originally you would be wrong(if you wanted it judged) if you still had it or did not color it to the one a couple of judges decided they liked best.:rolleyes: I could understand if it was acceptable due to availability to change to grey but they were apparently tan for at least six months as mine was built in December the first year and no longer than they were built altogether is a significant amount of time.

[Chuck Lutz]

Still looking at fabric stores/suppliers in west LA. I'm getting an education in jute, sisal, and burlap (jute comes from a fiber plant originally from Asia; burlap is what Americans commonly call the coarse cloth made of jute; sisal is a fiber that comes from a North American agave plant...); but, unfortunately, not closing in on what we're looking for. I've got some recommendations where else to look and will do so early next week (suppliers down in garment district apparently not open over the weekend).

Ok... so any guess which material was the correct one for the hood blanket? The photos from China sure look "hairy" like burlap (jute).

[Barry Wolk]

O.K. I'm a little puzzled by why if you had a tan one originally you would be wrong(if you wanted it judged) if you still had it or did not color it to the one a couple of judges decided they liked best.:rolleyes:

Precisely why I don't show my cars in club functions. Porsche club, either.

With as many production run changes and material shortages during construction of the Mark II there are bound to be variations. Revisionist history doesn't work well in any situation, including cars.

[depmike38]

Years ago I was attending a belly-button(aka Mustang) show and some judge was beating up on a beautiful little car because it had those "tent-type" hose clamps that everyone I ever knew threw in the trash. After the word idiotic popped in my head I just gave up. That's when I came to the conclusion that if your car pleases you then why worry about it. Mine is very close to it's original color but the previous owner just did not like greenish-grey and slightly changed it. A judge might not like it but I don't care.

[Doc]

Ok... so any guess which material was the correct one for the hood blanket? The photos from China sure look "hairy" like burlap (jute).

The folks that I've spoken with are of different opinions on what the original material was and a couple of retailers have gone with the typical "they don't make it like they used to," so the actual material may not be readily available. Nevertheless, they've offered a wide range of similar appearing alternatives--two dealers have suggested a material that is used as "carpet backing" and it is made of bleached cotton that has been "starched." Another suggested a landscaping cloth that is apparently jute, but it has a little too "hairy" appearance from my perspective--a "burlap" look. I've also been shown a similar-looking nylon material, but it has too tight a grid--almost looks like a window screen--and I have reservations about it melting from the heat.

I've got one guy who is pulling some material from his warehouse to show me on Monday and a couple of leads on other possible suppliers I'll check with early next week.

If someone with a good hoodliner (original or high-quality resto) could give me a thread count per inch (or post a close-up picture with a ruler against the liner), it would help narrow down the search. I've been showing folks a couple of the pictures we've posted, but they're not to scale and are making it difficult to judge the right weave.

The closest material that I've been shown is called "aida" cloth and is used for cross-stitch embroidery work. It comes in a variety of thread counts, from seven to 18 per inch (as I recall), and is sold in small pieces for handicraft work, but also is available in bolts that are up to 60" wide, so is a good possibility. I'm not sure what type of fiber is used in aida cloth. Here's a link to one online seller of aida cloth, but I think this thread count isn't quite right.

http://cdn.dickblick.com/items/631/01/63101-1048-2-3ww-l.jpg

[Chuck Lutz]

In today's exchange with the Chinese trading company, it is their opinion that the photos that I send of Doc and Barry's liners were sisal. They note "We judge it is sisal fabric from your picture, which is tougher than jute fabric, but jute fabric touch more soft"

They have priced the sisal slightly more but still not bad IMO. They also said.."To make it 100% correct, we hope you could send us a little of your sample to check if it is sisal or jute

Does anyone have a small piece they want to part with? We could then verify material and weave. At this point it looks like the weave of 11x7 700x700 is the closest match.

[Pat Marshall]

In today's exchange with the Chinese trading company, it is their opinion that the photos that I send of Doc and Barry's liners were sisal.

They have priced the sisal slightly more but still not bad IMO. They also said.."To make it 100% correct, we hope you could send us a little of your sample to check if it is sisal or jute

Does anyone have a small piece they want to part with? We could then verify material and weave. At this point it looks like the weave of 11x7 700x700 is the closest match.

Chuck, below are a several post that appear earlier in this thread, that address items raised above. Additionally Keith Colonna has done some recent work in reproducing a hood liner w/synthetic material.



Keith Colonna 10-19-2009
Somewhere on this Forum I described in detail how I reproduced my "under hood liner" on my 56 MKII (different from the 57).

It's too long to retype. In short, It was composed of AC duct liner fiberglass mat, with a special mesh fabric, with a binding on the edge and a circle cut out of the center. One day I'll make a kit/pattern.

Ron Howard 10-20-2009
Keith - Thank you for the detailed instructions on how to make a hood insulator. I have printed them off to have for future reference.

Keith Colonna 10-20-2009
Ron, my detailed post (somewhere in the Forum) stated that the binding was a herringbone pattern...and available from an upholstery shop, but must be colored gray to match the correct original color..grey...told to me by the experts. I also listed a source for the mesh

Nico 10-22-09 (Responding to Barry’s request for thread count)
Maybe you already have the thread count but if not; I believe mine to be original although dry rotted, it is not a square weave pattern (if that's the right terminology).

There are 10 strands to the inch left to right but only 8 strands front to back. Left to right the holes are fairly even, front to back every other (second) hole is bigger.

Keith Colonna 10-23-2009
The material I was told is Sisal...a natural fiber. My replacement was created with a synthetic which looks like Barry's, but darker.

Pat Marshall 6-16-09 (Reporting on purchase of used Narragansett repro hood liner)
What I thought I'd do is make a pattern from that liner, and then send swatches of the liner to whoever on the Forum is interested.

[Rolls Royce 1]

I recentley had my car's interior restored at Hilborn MotorCars Interiors in Reseda, CA. Tom Hilborn is a artist when it comes to interiors. He is the factory approved Rolls Royce and Bentley repair faciality in the States as well as restoring umteen Pebble Beach motorcars. It has been a family business since the 30's. Tom and his father have been working on these cars for many years. ANYWAY... I asked Tom to see if he could located a material source and duplicate the hood pad as original. He is currently working on getting material sources and will let me know as soon as he gets them. Tom said he would have no problem making them once we find an acceptal material. No idea on price or when, but I can assure you that if anyone can do them Hilborn can! I will keep you informed on the progress.

Anyone interested in buying one should let me know, no obligation, just to give Hilborn an idea how many might be wanted. It could be a factor in having them made.

Thanks,
Bob Ratinoff

[crystal59]

Thanks Pat. Mine was made by Narragansett around 1990-91.

I checked mine which looks old and original. It is tan. Gary

[Pat Marshall]

Jack Pugmire can give you an exact answer!

[Don Keller]

Thanks Pat. I see it now, I think you'd have to call that a Shetland Pony blanket. That is what mine is missing. It's interesting though that the car in the picture is missing the inserts from the rest of the under-hood nooks (note reflections in paint).

Thanks.
Don Keller
C56R3838

[Don Keller]

Hi Nick,

I was just wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to make sure that you treated your new blanket material to make sure that it is at least fire resistant if not retarding. It really gets hot that close to the engine, radiator and possible electrical shorts. As allways, thank you for your help.

Don Keller
C56R3838
Jackson, TN

[Nick DeSpirito]

Hi Don,

I'm sure they sell a fire retardant spray somewhere that would do the job and I recommend that they do that. This material is natural in color like the early hood pads. So that can be done by the members prior to binding it to the fiberglass. For members who want to conform with the current LCOC judging standards, the liner material must be painted gray. It's their call.

Most of the damage I've seen done to Mark II hood blankets was done by acid fumes where it lays close to the top of the battery. With the current dry 32N's available from Antique Auto Battery, you don't need to worry about it. I have one in my car and it's a blessing. It was so hard to check the water in the battery because of it's location.

[Barry Wolk]

Paper combusts at 451°F. Jute is even higher, I believe. It get's nowhere near that hot under the hood. Why bother with a flame retardant? I don't believe the original had a flame retardant applied.

Just asking.

[Pat Marshall]

1. '56 - In the picture please note the notch in the front of the hoodliner that allows access to the hood ornament fasteners. Only original hoodliners and Jack Pugmire's recent reproductions had this feature. This is an original Mark II grey hoodliner.

2. '57 - The picture that I have attached (from Stan K) shows a '57 hood with a '57 triangular hoodliner. The '57 hoodliner does not have a circular cut-out, please look closely at the picture to see that this is not a cut-out but damage that has eaten away part of the hoodliner above the air breather.

Also look closely at the picture of the 57 hood and notice that the hood support structure is a single shell attached and fully covering the hood shell. '56 hoods have about a 3/16 gap between the shell and the support structure - Why?

Reason -

Both '56's and '57 hoods were made in this sequence:
1. The sound deadener was glued to the underside of hood in one piece.
2. The support structure then attached to the underside of the hood leaving the sound deadener sandwiched in between it and the hood shell.
* The '56 support structure was a framework that had 7 open areas with the sound deadener showing in those openings in the support frame. This also left a visible space between the hood support and the (because the sound deadener was underneath). This is very evident in cars where the sound deadener is missing.
* The '57 support structure was a one-piece shell that completely covered the underneath of the hood shell and completely hid the sound deadener. This can clearly be seen in the attached photo
3. The hood was then painted.
4. The hoodliner was then installed

1957 cars that have visible sound deadener under the hood only have it if the car has a '56 hood, or sound deadener has been incorrectly installed. Mark II Enterprises sells a 7 piece sound deadener kit that is used to simulate the appearance of a 1956 hood, by gluing the pieces into the 7 gaps in the hood support structure. Remember that the actual 1956 sound deadener is a large single piece.

Some people have glued the 7 piece kit onto '57 hoods in the mistaken belief that the '57's had visible sound deadener. '57's did have sound deadener but it can't be seen without taking the whole hood structure apart.

[Stank-67-98]

Thank you don!

[Pat Marshall]

Very good picture (and yes I saved it in my info files) of which show it was painted.
Thanks for the info!
Is that a blue car or a blue with a hint of green in it. Looks like a nice color.

Actually, it's green. The car was Deep Green Iridescent and I'm changing it to Deep Jewel Green Metallic - a Mark VIII Color (which is the color now under the hood). Horrors A Customized Car!:eek:

The picture doesn't do the paint justice and makes it look lighter and a lot bluer than it is, but it does have a slightly bluer tint than the Deep Green Iridescent.

Also the Mark VIII Deep Garnet is a great alternative to the Mark II Deep Red.:eek:

[Rick Payton]

. Horrors A Customized Car!:eek:

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Oh no you didn't!!!:D

[norseman]

Actually, it's green. The car was Deep Green Iridescent and I'm changing it to Deep Jewel Green Metallic - a Mark VIII Color (which is the color now under the hood). Horrors A Customized Car!:ee:

Why not just add a brown viny top. That would go great with that paint color:rolleyes::)

[Pat Marshall]

Barf!!!!!!!!!!!

:puke