Stand Up and Be Counted - Mark II Data Lists

[Chuck Lutz]

Shelly has posted the updated Mark II Data Sheet incorporating the LCOC listings of 1956-57 Mark IIs and their locations.
At the suggestion of one of our members, I've also add the city and state of any listed original selling dealerships.

Our hope is to continue to refine, correct and keep this updated on a regular basis.
To this end, we need YOU!
Please look over the listing of your car and 1) verify the information, 2) See that you are listed as the current owner and state, and 3) Forward any additional information you have to me via my email markii2287@sbcglobal.net

One more request... if you are a member of the Forum and own a Mark II please update your Vin# in your profile. On later revisions I plan to acknowledge our members on this list.

Many Thanks,
Chuck

[Barry Wolk]

May I add that many of us are connected to other Mark II owners that are not members of the club, or this site.

Please contact them and ask permission to use their name location and serial number in our data base.

[Shelly Harris]

I especially want to acknowlege the effort of Chuck and Barry in in this project, and to thank them for their work.

Please get the information requested to them so that our forum can become the definitive Registry for Mark IIs.

[Barry Wolk]

Chuck deserves all the credit.

[MKII]

Sorry for my ignorance, but where can I check the listing to check on my car's dats?

Thanks,
Victor

[Shelly Harris]

Sorry for my ignorance, but where can I check the listing to check on my car's dats?

Thanks,
Victor

The Database post in the Documents Forum.... here (http://www.markiiforum.com/showthread.php?t=470)

[Huffstutler]

I have access to registration databases for 19 states that list them as public access. Some are current and some "recent" and have been looking up Mark II owners and locations this way. The past two days I have looked up quite a few and passed along to Chuck for inclusion (update) of the database. Just wish it could be a broader span to fill in even more gaps for the Composite Data Sheet. Not listing names here but here is a list of VIN numbers I have located not on the database list:

C5601397 OHIO
C5601402 OHIO
C5601405 FLORIDA (# SKIPPED ON LIST)
C5601410 TEXAS
C5601411 TEXAS
C5601413 TEXAS
C5601432 FLORIDA
C5601437 FLORIDA
C5601438 NORTH CAROLINA
C5601442 OHIO
C5601446 OHIO
C5601449 TEXAS
C5601459 MINNESOTA
C5601478 IDAHO
C5601480 TEXAS
C5601489 TEXAS
C5601491 NORTH CAROLINA
C5601494 OHIO
C5601495 WISCONSIN
C5601505 WISCONSIN
C5601507 NORTH CAROLINA
C5601528 FLORIDA
C5601541 WISCONSIN
C5601575 IOWA
C5601586 MINNESOTA
C5601602 TEXAS
C5601603 IOWA
C5601631 OREGON
C5601640 MISSISSIPPI
C5601647 TEXAS
C5601648 TEXAS
C5602345 TEXAS (# NOT ON LIST)
C5602697 FLORIDA (# NOT ON LIST)
C5602840 MISSISSIPPI (# NOT ON LIST)
C5602866 FLORIDA (# NOT ON LIST)
C5603644 FLORIDA (# NOT ON LIST)
C5603649 TEXAS (# NOT ON LIST)
C5603677 MINNESOTA (# NOT ON LIST)
C5691273 IOWA
C5691337 FLORIDA
C5691338 TEXAS
C5691346 MINNESOTA
C5691368 TEXAS
C5691390 MINNESOTA (# SKIPPED ON LIST)
C5691395 TEXAS
C56A1726 FLORIDA

Also,

C56A1670
was sold in June 2009 to Jim Perricone in New Jersey. There is a forum thread on this car and the new owner is listed.

Still working on the lists - a LOT of cars to go through!

Eric

[SLK]

Great information Eric. Thank you for doing the legwork on this.

[WWubker]

I have C56E2944 registered in Florida.
Warren Wubker
Orlando

It was in pretty good shape when I got it, but still doing a complete body off restoration. Should be done by summer.

[Barry Wolk]

Ever seen the movie, "The Money Pit"?

Welcome to the site Warren.

[Chuck Lutz]

Wow, this is amazing! I've exchanged some emails with Eric over the past few days and wanted to express my thanks for his spirit and assistance in this project. I understand the time to sift through all this information but it's also, for me, fun doing it. We will refine this list and continue to update it. The out pouring of support in this effort has been wonderful. Keep those cards and letter coming. My weekdays are dedicated (mostly) to a "day-job" but I will get this information into the matrix and get it updated on forum.
Another fun thing that developed out of this campaign was a note I received from a Mark II owner who views our forum regularly but had never joined. Jim Storck of Storm Lake, Iowa gave me information on his car and sent pictures. The car's black finish was like glass in the photo. It’s a truly beautiful car that he's owned since 1969 as the 3rd owner. Jim knows a lot about Mark IIs but, I understand, he is highly regarded for his knowledge of Lehmann-Peterson cars. Late yesterday, after my poking, Jim emailed me that he had signed up here. I think my line about it being worth the price of admission did it!
Welcome Jim and we'll get him to post the picture of his gorgeous C56D2699 Black beauty.

[Barry Wolk]

I have access to registration databases for 19 states that list them as public access.

There are two other cars mentioned in this letter, C5681120 and C5681248. Can you search for those? Art Sears is sure that 1120 is the other convertible they built. I speculate that 1248 was parted out as it had a dash fire and there were no other parts in the pipeline in September of 1955. It's Production Order is missing from the BFRC files, as far as I know.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/barry2952/1%20Mark%20II%20docs/Oct1505.jpg

[Rodney Reece]

Found another, # 3726 for David or Fritzi Huntington of Los Angeles, CA at the web site below. Hope this helps.


http://www.aeclassic.com/1957_lincol...tal/index.html

[George]

Chuck, a few months ago I took a drive over to Morgan Hill and took a look at a 56 Mark II which was for sale, I didn't buy it, the guy wanted too much. I don't have the owners name anymore but I did write down the vin number and took a few photos of the car. I was wondering if you wanted this type of information I can forward it to you.

I guess you can't really update the data base without a name, but maybe you could make a note that as of September 09 it was still alive...barely.

George Procida

[Chuck Lutz]

George, it’s all good info to have. Part of this search is also to get a read on the cars still in circulation. Thanks.

[George]

Chuck here is the information on the Morgan Hill vehicle

C56C2384
13-1B6M-113-2

This was back in September of 2009. I wish I would have purchased the car but at the time wasn't really ready for two major projects.

[Chuck Lutz]

George, thanks.
You mean you turned down a "project" like that? LOL, "Feet don't fail me now!" ..."RUN, Forrest, RUN!"

[Chuck Lutz]

Found another, # 3726 for David or Fritzi Huntington of Los Angeles, CA at the web site below. Hope this helps.


http://www.aeclassic.com/1957_lincol...tal/index.html

I looked at this post last night and the link came up. Now it doesn't.
Very Cool. I saw a photo of the original dealer's document jacket showing Metcalf - Mayer #2 California Dr. Burlingame, CA. Drove right by there yesterday to pick up my daughter at school. That area has been an "Auto Row" for as long as I've been here and clear back to the 50's I guess. I don't remember which dealer is in there now but I'll get a photo next time there. Thanks Rodney.

[Chuck Lutz]

OK, I went to the site and scrolled through to find it. I guess if you can't find one in LA, you come to the SF Bay Area to get your Mark II. :D

[Mad Scientist]

It was in pretty good shape when I got it, but still doing a complete body off restoration. Should be done by summer.

Hint. Take lots of pictures during dis-assembly and carefully note the order in which you remove parts. Otherwise it can be a giant jigsaw puzzle when to try to but it back together.

[Barry Wolk]

Mad, I have to tell you, nothing is labeled on the limo. I don't do projects that way.

For me, half the fun of restorations is the jigsaw puzzle aspect. When I was younger I used to compete in jigsaw puzzle competitions. I love basket-case cars when they're complete. They're most challenging.

I find that the engineering that went into most cars allows you to pretty much figure out how things went together. Yes, it's helpful to remember the order, but typically things only fit in only one way. Cars are made to be assembled by anyone with minimal technical training. That would be me. I find reassembly from a pile of parts a great deal of fun.:eek:

[Doc]

Barry - I've found your many posts some of the most helpful and educational information on the Forum. I must admit, I've even started printing many of them out, especially the "how to" ones, along with similar posts by Mad and others who have documented their restoration/maintenance projects. I'm assembling them all in a 3-ring binder for easy reference. Someday I imagine people will be going to ebay to bid for copies as they work on their Mark IIs...

BUT, I've got to agree with Mad on this one. I go through a roll of masking tape every time I disassemble anything on the Mark II. Each piece gets a number and an arrow showing where it connected to the number before/after or which way was up/down, right/left, etc. I know it's often over-kill (you should have heard the abuse I took from a mechanic friend when he saw how I'd numbered the exhaust system--I admit it can only fit one way, but that didn't stop me). But in many cases, the numbering saved me hours and tremendous frustration. Maybe it just me, with even less than minimal training, but I vote for careful documentation on disassembly.

[Barry Wolk]

I respect that.

[Huffstutler]

There are two other cars mentioned in this letter, C5681120 and C5681248. Can you search for those? Art Sears is sure that 1120 is the other convertible they built. I speculate that 1248 was parted out as it had a dash fire and there were no other parts in the pipeline in September of 1955. It's Production Order is missing from the BFRC files, as far as I know.



Barry,

C5681120 for what I find is still around, a black coupe registered to Jeff Schroeder in Mechanicsville, Iowa. (Chuck, add this one to the registry list)

I didn't come up with anything for C5681248 but then again, I only have access to 19 states.

Eric

[Barry Wolk]

Cool. I checked the 2001 and 2005 Directory and he nor the car is listed.

I'll look for an address and contact info.

[Huffstutler]

Cool. I checked the 2001 and 2005 Directory and he nor the car is listed.

I'll look for an address and contact info.

Barry, I'll send it to you via private email. Look for it and let me know when you get it. Since this forum is public view rather than only by registering, anyone can see the information though, again, everything I post is "public access" so anyone with detective skills can get it.

Can say the previous owner was Dale Fowler of Spragueville, IA.

Eric

[Barry Wolk]

Got it.

Hmmmm..................... I've received some calls from people about my car that made me a little uneasy. How about Shelly jotting a short note as the founder of the Mark II Forum and Registry asking to confirm some information about his car?

It would look so official on your letterhead, Shelly.

It's funny, I'd send him an e-mail in a heartbeat.

[Huffstutler]

Got it.

Hmmmm..................... I've received some calls from people about my car that made me a little uneasy. How about Shelly jotting a short note as the founder of the Mark II Forum and Registry asking to confirm some information about his car?

It would look so official on your letterhead, Shelly.

It's funny, I'd send him an e-mail in a heartbeat.

Good. Pass it on to Shelly then if he is interested in dropping a note to the owner to validate his vehicle and its history.

Glad to be of service,

Eric

[Barry Wolk]

I may call him anyway.

[Chuck Lutz]

I may have been asleep at the switch here but Barry, would this be another convertible? or No?

[Huffstutler]

I may have been asleep at the switch here but Barry, would this be another convertible? or No?

I think he is saying Sears says it was but the registration is saying Coupe. That doesn't mean anything especially if they go strictly by numbers that says it is a coupe rather than a convertible. Some states and/or people at the DMV will add unique information on the title sometimes and sometimes they won't, depends on the person you get at the window.

[Barry Wolk]

Could be. Art Sears only saw my file because that's all he asked for. I didn't find the letter until much after that. Art says they made two convertibles out of black cars for Ford Marketing in Chicago.

I'm about to call the guy to find out. It could be that the second convertible was 1248.

We'll see. :D

[Barry Wolk]

Have two numbers. One disconnected and the other a strange busy tone.

[Huffstutler]

Barry, you have another private message on this...

ric

[Barry Wolk]

Thanks, I'll send him a note.

[Barry Wolk]

Message sent. Thanks.

[Huffstutler]

Message sent. Thanks.

Any luck yet hearing from him?

[Stank-67-98]

Stan


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vin C5681092


- bigty04 Did this answer your question? If not, let the seller know.






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Dear bigty04,

what is the ser#
Stan


- silverfox88sport



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[Stank-67-98]

Hi Chuck,
The last post is a mess...

On Ebay as a 57
This one is not on our list....or in the encyclopedia

He sent me this #

C5681092


Question about item #170447342755, ending on Feb-23-10 16:23:24 PST - Lincoln : Continental
Sent Date: Feb-21-10 10:47:44 PST

Stan

[Chuck Lutz]

This one really doesn't make sense. (As I emailed you back). The car is shown as a 1957, there are clearly no nostrils but it sports an early Vin#.

[Stank-67-98]

This is the ad

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170447342755&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123

[Doc]

Check the picture of the trunk in the ad. The hinges show that it's a 1956, as the number indicates. Somehow the seller is just confused about the car's YOM.

[Barry Wolk]

If that car has 42,000 miles, I'll kiss his be-hind. It's clearly a '56.

[Chuck Lutz]

All good points... Guess a little body filler takes out the nostrils :)

[Barry Wolk]

It has add-on air, dealer installed. Hence, no nostrils.

[Chuck Lutz]

Wait... I thought all 56 cars had nostrils?

[Barry Wolk]

Only the cars with factory air. Mine does not have them.

[Chuck Lutz]

Wow.. I learn something every day. Thanks.

[Nick DeSpirito]

The car is clearly a '56 not only by the VIN (early car at that) but also the scissor hinges on the trunk lid. Barry's right Chuck. Non A/C '56 cars had no nostrils.

The owner states the title reads 1957. This is not the first time I've seen a '56 titled as a '57 though.

C5681091 is listed in the missing invoices page of the encyclopedia, but 1092 is not.

[5bird7]

Only the cars with factory air. Mine does not have them.

Neither does ours.

[Barry Wolk]

C5681091 is listed in the missing invoices page of the encyclopedia, but 1092 is not.

Chuck has my MIIE. It may have a listing as your old one was generated off of the Invoice list while the new version is gathered off of the more complete Production Order list.

[Stank-67-98]

Hey Nick, Do u know if he checked the sn# on the id plate?

[Chuck Lutz]

Chuck has my MIIE. It may have a listing as your old one was generated off of the Invoice list while the new version is gathered off of the more complete Production Order list.

I was wondering that too. I'll check when I get home.

[Chuck Lutz]

Yes, it shows up in the Barry's 2002 Edition

C5681092 04 2A1A BG and..... no Air / no nostrils :D

[Nick DeSpirito]

Hey Nick, Do u know if he checked the sn# on the id plate?

Hi Stan,

No, I do not. Usually, most Mark II sellers post a picture of the data plate, but this one did not.

[Nick DeSpirito]

Yes, it shows up in the Barry's 2002 Edition

C5681092 04 2A1A BG and..... no Air / no nostrils :D

The interior looks like it has been redone.

[Stank-67-98]

A fellow from up here was lookin at it, wants a white 57

[Huffstutler]

My question is and I am sure this has either been addressed or at least though of. What if the car had been in an accident - especially the driver's area and this part of the vehicle has been replaced with some other parts car so it doesn't match the original assembly? I am sure those custom or rod job conversions will fall into this as well.

[Chuck Lutz]

My thanks to Jack for emailing me a list of 17 car that he knows are no longer viable and / or dismantled. He mentioned an additional 3 that he just obtained that will likely be dismantled but will forward me these VINs later.
I have made notes to this on my master list and on the next updated posting of the MKIIF Database they will be reflected as such.

C5681049, C5691138, C5691166, C5601551, C56A1729, C56A1812, C56B1915,C56D2685, C56D2773, C56E2966, C56E3001, C56H3222, C56I3310, C56K3392, C56Q3620, C56S3851 and C56T3986.

[crystal59]

Complete vin is C5601614

[Frank Albrecht]

Chuck - I'm new to the Forum, and have no idea how to find the entry referenced. Tried every entry I could see, but nothing takes me there. This site is VERY tough to navigate w/ out prievious knowledge.
Thx.. frank

[Barry Wolk]

Click here for the PDF. You may view it, but you can not change it. That's done by Chuck.

http://markiiforum.com/markiicardatabase.pdf

To view it you will need Adobe Reader to view it. It's a free download.

http://get.adobe.com/reader/

Use the Search tool to find items of interest. If you had entered "data" you would be able to select from a number of posts with that word. The more specific you are, the narrower the answers. Avoid words like "the" or even "Mark" as it's in just about every post. If you're looking for information or something like radial tires, just use the word radial. Hope that helps.

[Chuck Lutz]

Thanks Barry.

Frank, let us know how you did with the navigation. :)

The great thing about this site is ... please feel free to ask.

[Barry Wolk]

There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.:o

[Shelly Harris]

Chuck - I'm new to the Forum, and have no idea how to find the entry referenced. Tried every entry I could see, but nothing takes me there. This site is VERY tough to navigate w/ out prievious knowledge.
Thx.. frank

Frank:

It's easy, you're just not familiar with it. May I suggest that when you start viewing the forum that you click on the "new Posts" link and view all the posts that have been enterred since your last visit. That keeps you current. Also don't click the "log out" link when you leave... just use your browser's exit... that way when you return to the forum you'll be automatically logged in to start with.

[Doc]

We had our Mark II in a local show today and I was approached by someone who obviously knew a thing or two about our cars. I'd never met him before, but it turns out it was Dave Parker, who is something of a local legend in Southern California car circles. Dave has an amazing collection--more than 100 cars, I believe. You can see it at www.daves-garage.com.

But there's a reason he knew about our cars: #2135, the car that originally belonged to the Shah of Iran is in Dave's collection. If you go to his website, there's a picture of the car. And check out its fender skirts! Wonder if those were part of the original order?

[Barry Wolk]

That car was not a DSO, so, no.

[Frank Albrecht]

Shelly - I found the database, but it's totally unreadable. The print is about 1/64" hi, and I can make out onlt 10% of the letters. I must be doing something wrong, but I've tried bringing it up three times and get the dame result.
Thx.. Frank

[Barry Wolk]

Hi Frank,

That may be a function of what you have your screen size set for. I use a Mac and that function is under System Preferences and then under Display. You want to set it to a lower number which increases the size of the text.

You may have it set at the factory setting, which is meant for much younger eyes.:mad:

[Shelly Harris]

Shelly - I found the database, but it's totally unreadable. The print is about 1/64" hi, and I can make out onlt 10% of the letters. I must be doing something wrong, but I've tried bringing it up three times and get the dame result.
Thx.. Frank

Frank:

I'll assume you are using a PC and not a MAC. When the PDF file opens up in the Adobe Reader viewer it initiates at about 74% size. Look at the tool bar on the top edge of the Reader viewer. You'll see a - and + button. Click on the + button till the document reaches the size you like. There are scroll bars on the side and bottom to maneuver the page into view as you like.

[Barry Wolk]

That's odd. I don't have a tool bar above. I just move the cursor to the middle of the window at the bottom and a tool box appears with the + and -.

I can make the print big enough so that I don't need reading glasses.:D

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/barry2952/Junk%20stuff/PDF.jpg

[Ian Cowie]

In looking over the database, I have noticed an large number of missing VINs particularly on the first page, or up to say VIN C5691275. From that point onward other than the odd missing single VIN here and there, the database is largely sequential.

However, in the first 54 lines, the VIN numbers jump from 1001 to 1273 implying there should be 272 vehicles but only 52 entries? Why are there 250 VINs missing?

I could surmize that these vehicles were never made and the VINs were simply incremented in some weird fashion until things settled out on the production line ... but ...
page 62 of the Restorer's Guide has a table that clearly (in my mind :-) shows at least 3 VINs that do not show in the database.

C566 974, built 6-23-55 for R Reeves.
C5681026, built 8-14-55 with Body Spec B5G 88-X CCF 814
C5691212, built 9-14-55 with Body Spec 02-1N6B-914-13 for T Webb

The 3rd vehicle, the 1212 car, was the 13th car built that day, so the other 12 vehicles would be C5691200 through C5691211. But, the database only lists 4 of these vehicles?

(Barry you have mentioned not to take too much of that publication as fact but this table does not look like something made up. There are clearly dates, trim specs and owner names that came from somewhere!)

So ... why all the missing VINs?

[Barry Wolk]

There is something wrong with our data base. The MIIE has all the early cars listed.

Now, many on the Invoice list are missing because there were no invoices for the "Introductory Units", like my car. There are probably no invoices for Ford-owned cars, either.

I don't believe I made a negative comment about Chuck's work. I believe my comments were about other publications.

[Ian Cowie]

Sorry ... confusion!!! I was referring to the Restorer's Guide publication .. by all means ... Chuck's database is fantastic.

[Barry Wolk]

No, there are holes in the data base that I have info on. For example, 1004 was a black car. The list I use is compiled from the Production Orders, not the Invoices. I believe the Invoices were used for the guide's list.

All I'm saying on the restorer's guide is to consider some of his sources.:rolleyes:

[Pat Marshall]

Lowell Domholdt has been building a Mark II Data Base of Car Specifications for years. Below are the cars that Lowell has not been able to identify some or all of the car specifications.

Lowell has asked me to share this listing with Forum Members. I have given him a copy of the Forum Data Base and he said that he will share his full list with the Forum.

SERIAL #PNT TRIM DEST AC? T/C L/X COMMENT
C566975 01 2G5L DM NO ? ?
C566976 ? ? ? ? ? ?
C566978 ? ? ? ? ? ?
C566987 NOT PRODUCED
C566988 NOT PRODUCED

C566989 PREPRODUCTION CARS - MADE BEFORE C566975 AND
C566990 WERE MADE WITH '55 ENGINES AND TRANSMISSIONS

C5681013 13 1B56M ? ? ? ?
C5681032 ? ? ? ? ? ?
C5681057 05 1C2D EB NO ? L
C5681059 04 2A1A ? ? ? ?
C5681115 ? ? ? ? ? ? 1984-ROSEVILLE, CA
C5691155 ? ? ? ? ? ?
C5691166 ? ? ? ? ? ? ROSEN PARTS CAR
C5691206 ? ? ? ? ? ?
C5691245 01 1E4L ? AC ? ? A/C-NO AIR SCOOPS
C5691248 ? ? ? ? ? ?
C5601405 10 1L6H DM NO ? L
C5601406 08 1L6H ? AC ? X

[Barry Wolk]

Here's why there's no 1248. It had a dash fire before it was delivered. Since it was so early in the program and there were no parts in the pipeline, I'm pretty sure it was parted out in the Chicago region as so many new cars were sent there. Since many of the early cars had reliability problems, I'm sure there was a shortage of parts.

I'd be willing to bet that a decision was made to part out the car due to the strong smell that accompanies a dash fire. You could deodorize it, but surely couldn't sell it as a new car.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/barry2952/1%20Mark%20II%20docs/Oct1505.jpg

One down.

[Don Henschel]

Duplicated serial numbers?
A long time ago shortly after I got my Mark one of the gurus mentioned to me that several Mark II's left the factory with the same serial number. Looking through Chuck's Database I discovered:
2195 C56L3432 2 1N6B PLD-PIP-DSO Brown, J. M. Steve Hicks, Inc. Grand Rapids MI
2196 C56L3432* * (double Malmquist, Bertel T. Evanston Lincoln-Mercury Company Evanston IN

1534 C56D2772 14 1B6K AC CAPLAN, BOB & SHEILA FL
1535 C56D2772? CARRILLO. RAUL A. & NEVA TX
Did somebody with the number stamp have a bad day?
Once was bad enough but twice I could see somebody being sent to bed without supper.

[Chuck Lutz]

Don,
I noticed that at the time and posted them as it was figuring it would get worked out in time. Not sure if it was a typo or what but I didn't want to make the determination on my own. It will be interesting if the 4 or 2 cars become known.

[Chuck Lutz]

Today I'll be sending Rev 6 to Shelly for posting. It has a number of updates and additions that have been collected and sent to me by our member for which I'm very grateful.
This latest revision in NOT completely updated with every known listing. A number of months ago (I won't say how many) Barry was kind enough to let me copy his VIN and owner listing from the later (est) edition of the MKIIE which has more listing and more up to date data. These have not been "blended" into the Registry as yet due to the fact that the information, once optically scanned, has to be converted into a separate database (spreadsheet) and merged into the existing. Then the multiple entries have to be manually checked and selected for most current. I also received the new LCOC roster several weeks ago and that needs to be checked as well.
This is a very tedious process and I'm not whining, in fact I enjoy doing this. I just wanted to let you know it's still a work in progress. Thanks for your patience.

[Barry Wolk]

Thanks for doing it. I would have lost my mind by now.:eek:

[Ian Cowie]

I have been researching VINs and found 3 MKIIs that I have been unable to determine the VINs. I have another 3 pages of updates that I will post shortly.

C56????? (http://www.auto123.com/en/used-cars/classified/quebec/montreal/lincoln/continental/1956/3110657?vehtype=CAR) For sale in Montreal Quebec, owned by John Scotti Classic Cars, 7905 boul. Provencher Blvd. Spoke with Mr. Howard (514) 728-5777 confirmed asking price of $59k but would not divulge VIN.
C56????? (http://www.aacamuseum.org/exhibitions/permanent.aspx) AACA Museum in Hershey, PA. Email sent requesting VIN, no response.
C56????? (http://www.autabuy.com/Vehicles/Details.cfm?VID=418599&Year=1956&Make=LINCOLN&Model=MARK) Listed for sale on AutaBuy.com. Email sent requesting VIN, no response


If anyone on the forum has connections to any of these three items ... by all means help us out!
Thanks.

[Ian Cowie]

C5671002 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=1696&postcount=1)
Listed on eBay 120470489590, Sep 2009.
C5681081 (http://beta.autos.yahoo.com/used-cars/lincoln-mark_ii-cars319674022)
Listed for sale on Yahoo! Autos, Blue/White, 53,418 mi, owned by Wayne Bodge, Kennesaw, GA.
C5691216 (http://www.rickcarey.com/MarketJournal/CCOMJ2005/KrusePhoenix05CCOMJ.pdf)
Sold at auction by Kruse International, “Scottsdale”, Avondale, Arizona, January 21-23, 2005 for $15,000
C5691245 (http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.ap?co=17521&weid=9795&weiid=3489061&mindate=19900101&maxdate=20501231&lso=lotnumasc&pagenum=4&lang=En)
Sold at auction by Thomas Hirchak at Williston, VT, 26 Sep 2009, $5000, 64130 mi, Light Red
C5691246 (http://www.autogallerymuseum.com/agcomment.asp?DisplayType=P&StockNo=7356&Search_Type=50&BeginRecord=1&CalledFrom=1&PicNo=1)
For sale on autogallerymuseum.com. Owner is Auto Gallery Museum in Spring Grove, IL. Body Spec 01-1G6K-916-12 confirmed by owner Lou.
C5691354 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1956-lincolin-/140414106634?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20b1553c0a#v4-36)
Listed on eBay 140414106634 ending 15 Jun 2010, in Akron, OH
C56A1762 (http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/chassisNum.aspx?carID=7531&iDNumID=9811)
Seen at Amelia Island Concours d’Elegance, Mar 2010 Built to the special order of Henry Ford II for his wife, C56A1762 was delivered at the factory on November 21, 1955. Unique to D.S.O. #56C-37 were the special combination of interior trim choices and the one-off black canvas top over metal.
C56A1784 (http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=USA&screen=ResultDescPrint&iSaleNo=14802)
Sold at auction item 714 of Collectors’ Motorcars and Automobilia featuring The Frank Cooke Collection Part II, Larz Anderson Auto Museum, Brookline, Massachusetts, 10:00 21 Apr 2007 for $64,350
C56A1788 (http://www.usedcarsplus.com/classic-cars/03-use/lincoln/190374678380.html)
Listed on ebay in Winthrop, Minnesota March 2010 – not sold
C56A1798 (http://www.schmitt.com/gallerycars.asp)
Chalet blue, listed on Schmitt.com Stock# 404450 as sold.
C56A1884 (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2893470)
Original owner Frank Sinatra. Owner has posted on several web sites. Khurt007 in Valencia, CA. Web site last updated 26 Mar 2008.
C56B1930 (http://www.schmitt.com/gallerycars.asp)
White, 31k miles, listed on Schmitt.com Stock# 403767 as sold.
C56B1966
Green, 22k miles, listed on eBay in Williston, FL April 2010 – not sold
C56B2001 (http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/456531285/)
Offered at auction by Bonhams & Butterfields, Quail Lodge Resort and Golf Club, Carmel, California on 13 Aug 2004 – not sold

C56B2040 (http://www.usedcarsplus.com/classic-cars/03-use/lincoln/120545703130.html)
For sale in Austin, TX
C56B2131 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=449&postcount=1)
Keith W Colonna, Norfolk, Virginia (MKIIF)
C56B2135 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=7202&postcount=67)
Dave Parker, Torrance, CA
C56B2193 (http://www.jjbestcars.com/Classifieds/View/66793)
Listed by Chris Neuhouser, Titusville, FL on 2 Feb 2010. Location stated as NC.
C56B2198
Listed on eBay 02/09/2010 in West Palm Beach, FL
C56C2281
Listed for sale on cars.trovit.com Cleveland, OH
C56C2384 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=4812&postcount=16)
2009, Morgan Hill, CA, rough shape, 3 images posted on forum.
C56C2426 (http://automobile.automotive.com/82925/autp-0704-barrett-jackson-automobile-auctions/1976-ford-mustang-2-mpg-coupe.html)
Sold at auction Barrett-Jackson, WestWorld, Scottsdale, AZ, Jan 2007 for $41800
C56C2430 (http://serialnumberplate.com/index.php?type=show_id&id=2781)
Serial number plate only owned by (name removed by request). Likely the car has been junked or parted out.
C56C2434 (http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/1583089191/)
Offered at auction by Sothebys, Royal Airforce Museum, Hendon, London, England 20 Mar 1993 – no sale
C56C2571 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=4982&postcount=11)
Private collection in Titusville, FL
C56C2574 (http://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/SoldInventory/SoldInventoryDetails/tabid/149/company/vanguardautos/vin/C56C2574/Default.aspx)
Sold in Farmington, MI by Vanguard Motor Sales
C56C2615 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160412663206#v4-37)
Located in Holbrook, NY, listed on eBay expired 21 Mar 2010
C56D2662 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=8354&postcount=5)
Photos posted on MKIIF by prospective buyer, Charles Gaither, Corona, CA on 6 Jun 2010
C56D2663 (http://www.usedvehiclesforsale.us/used-for-sale/LINCOLN-CONTINENTAL-MARK-II-1956_13064674384180570105.html)
Listed on usedvehiclesforsale.us, white w/blue interior, 11017 miles, Dealer is Malibu Carz.
C56D2684 (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5398814)
Sold at auction Lot 375 for $38,500 by RM Auctions, The Astor Collection, 2008
C56D2702 (http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/1812597070/)
Sold at auction by Christies, Greenwich, CT on 3 June 2006 for $32,900
Listed on eBay location as Newton Center, Massachusetts.
C56D2730 (http://www.rickcarey.com/MarketJournal/CCOMJ2006/WorldwideHouston050606CCOMJ.pdf)
Sold at auction by The Worldwide Group, Keels & Wheels Lakewood Yacht Club, Seabrook, Texas, 6 May 2006 for $57,200.
C56D2744 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=5972&postcount=1)
Purchased by Alan Harris, West Pittston, PA., Mar 2010. (MKIIF)
C56D2750 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=198&postcount=1)
Seen at All-Ford Nationals in Carlisle, June 2003.
C56D2834 (http://www.conceptcarz.com/events/auctionResults/auctionResults.aspx?reportID=3&eventID=332)
Sold at auction by RM Auctions at Jerry Capizzi’s Cappy Collection for $77,000, 2006
C56D2845 (http://www.conceptcarz.com/events/eventVehicle.aspx?carID=7531&eventID=205&catID=1572&whichpage=1)
This car spent many years in storage while in the Klein Kars collection. It has traveled 39,744 miles since new, and is a well preserved and original example. In 2007 this Mark II Hardtop was brought to the Gooding & Company auction held in Pebble Beach, CA where it sold for $44,000 as lot 116.
C56E2881
Listed on eBay 220611666156 ending 4 Jun 2010, located Marietta, GA
C56E2891 (http://www.classiccarmall.net/index.php?a=2&b=9793)
Listed on classiccarmall.net in Chandler, AZ for $22,000
C56F3021 (http://www.conceptcarz.com/events/auctionResults/auctionResults.aspx?eventID=285)
Sold at auction lot 140 by RM Auctions, Portola Plaza, Monterey, CA, 19 Aug 2005 for $71,500
Metallic Burgundy/Burgundy, Cream Leather.
C56F3023 (http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=mo09&CarID=r241&Currency=USD)
Sold by auction RM Auctions at Sports & Classics of Monterey Aug 2009 for $38,500
C56F3056 (http://www.billstrom.nu/carsdetail.asp?cid=101)
Listed for sale on billstrom.nu but lists location as USA.
C56F3065 (http://forum.love-fords.org/showthread.php?281-Mark-II-C56F3065)
Listed for sale on eBay Aug 2009.
C56F3089 (http://midamericaauctions.com/NEW/html/showauction.asp?sort=MakeAndModel&page=8&ID=92&PersonID=)
Sold at auction lot 081 by MidAmerica Auctions at National Sports Center, Blaine, MN, Sep 2007 for $31,270. Cream/maroon leather, 79,049 miles.
C56F3114 (http://www.markeeautosales.com/ebay/56lincoln/)
For sale on markeeautosales.com. Needs paint and upholstery.
C56G3135 (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classyauto.com%2Fv%2FPorsche% 2BBoxster%2F55427&ei=4hz0S6GqMcO78gaf3eyrDg&usg=AFQjCNEFxIXozJu0L--te8efJTrHjTAZpg)
Sold in Leander, TX asking price was $19,500 OBO
C56G3136 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1956-Mark-II-Continental-Collector-Car_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem35a79393e9QQitemZ23 0444733417QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks)
Listed on eBay 230444733417 ending 10 Mar 2010, located in Galveston, IN
C56G3181 (http://www.rmauctions.com/featurecars.cfm?SaleCode=AZ09CarID=r120fc=0&CarID=r235&fc=0)
Offered at auction Hilton Head Sports & Classic Car Auction, Nov 2008. Not sold.
Offered at auction Automobiles of Arizona by RM Auctions, Jan 2009. Sold for $72600.
C56G3187 (http://www.sportscarmarket.com/digital-issues/June2008.pdf)
Sold at auction by RM Auctions, Ft. Lauderdale, FL, Feb 2008 for $64,900.
Maroon/maroon & white leather, 46,887 mi.
C56H3212 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=1633&postcount=6)
Palm Beach - Parted out
C56H3230 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=5940&postcount=25)
Parts car once owned by Mark A. Maromente
C56H3240 (http://www.bestautoappraiser.com/appraisalsk-l.html)
Appraised by Dennis Mitosinka and listed on his website at www.bestautoappraiser.com.
Contacted Dennis by email but no further info available.
C56H3247 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=2865&postcount=1)
Listed on eBay Nov 2009. 11DSO56C-0188-62656 located in Rhode Island
C56H3250 (http://www.silverauctions.com/auction_view.php?eventid=54&lotid=11363)
Offered at auction by Silver Auctions, Seattle Auction 3 Nov 2007.
White, 99151 miles, Cond 2.0
Offered at auction by Silver Auctions at Fountain Hills, AZ, Jan 2008, not sold at $29,000.
White/white & dark green vinyl, 99170 miles, older higher-quality repaint with finish and stainless trim heavily buffed out. Bumpers most likely original with moderate scuffing. Most plated pot-metal trim pitted, chrome on mirrors peeling at edges, most glass has some delamination. Mediocre engine bay and undercarriage. Seats reupholstered in the stock pattern and color combination, original door panels respectable, dash padding cracked around several mounting screws. Cond 3-
C56I3278 (http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/chassisNum.aspx?carID=7531&iDNumID=9812)
Built to the special order of Benson Ford, head of the Lincoln-Mercury Division, C5613278 is a late 1956 model invoiced August 29, 1956. He chose ‘Green Lucite Metallic’ finish and a special combination of interior colors and materials. While it has optional air conditioning, the air intakes atop the quarter panels had been eliminated for late-production vehicles.
Benson kept his special Mark II for years and during the winter of 1958/59, had Ford Motor Company engineering staff replace the original 368 cid engine with the then new Lincoln 430 cid engine having 10:1 compression along with chroming of accessory items.
This car into the possession of the current owner from the family of the late Edson Williams, retired Ford Motor Company Vice-President for Customer Service. It has received a comprehensive restoration completed in 2009, which retained all engineering staff modifications.
C56I3279 (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=7689&postcount=7)
Sold at auction lot W99 by Dana Mecum,
C56I3289 (http://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=33539&p=231527#p231527)
Listed for sale by Goldman Classic Lincolns, Orlando, FL $6500
C56I3299
Rick Payton, Austin, TX (MKIIF)
C56J3322 (http://www.conceptcarz.com/events/auctionResults/auctionResults.aspx?eventID=530)
Sold at auction by Gooding & Co at Pebble Beach Aug 2009 for $66,000
C56K3373 (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markiiforum.com%2Fshowthread. php%3Ft%3D324&ei=8JgOTKWPGoH98Ab5-czOCA&usg=AFQjCNEVMQMD8jkrDUJSeEEYOVLHBmTOfQ)
Laurie and Eric Myers, San Rafael California (MKIIF - xxxxprincess)
C56K3392 (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markiiforum.com%2Farchive%2Fi ndex.php%2Ft-503.html&ei=DJkOTNi6HIP58AbdkdyoCQ&usg=AFQjCNGE-rFv0ce-yzvtSJbPScSO4E6nMA)
Listed on forum as junked by Jack Rosen
C56K3401
Gerome Huerta, Los Angeles, CA. (MKIIF)
C56K3408 (http://www.ochsnerautos.com/detail-1956-lincoln-mark-ii-used-4100468.html)
For sale by Ochsner International, Wheeling, IL, 7 Mar 2010.
Asking $100,000 and color is Red ... not even original which was black!
C56K3411 (http://www.conceptcarz.com/events/auctionResults/auctionResults.aspx?eventID=345)
Sold at auction Lot 849 by RM Auctions at Al Wiseman Collection Auction Dec 2007 for $39,600.
C56N3489 (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.love-fords.org%2Flovefords%2Fcontact%2Fcontact.htm&ei=-qAOTLihBcP78Abur4ipCQ&usg=AFQjCNHGxt9UaxMJ-83eBAZUcRuqPYwcBA)
Posting on 21 May 2007 by a Tony Tierno stating “black (originally white) exterior with red interior trying to determine if a 1956 or 1957 – production probably in 1956”
C56N3541 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110523806036&viewitem=)
Listed on eBay 110527477802 ending 9 May 2010 in Jacksonville, FL.
Very rough shape, Blue/blue 88,000 miles
C56P3597 (http://www.wangzhongyuan.com/autos_2009s2/Chevrolet_3A_Corvette/60101.htm)
Listed on eBay ending 17 Jul 2009 in Gabriola, BC, Canada, Blue/white
C56Q3639 (http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/article/Auction_Results_for_Spring_Classic_Car_Auction_of_ Toronto/)
Sold at auction by RM Auctions, Spring Classic, Toronto, ON, Canada 17 April 2009 for $35,000
C56Q3641 (http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/844781408/)
Offered at auction by Bonhams, Boston, MA, 4 May 2002.
C56Q3658 (http://www.allworldauto.com/auto_classifieds/details.php?vin=C56Q3658&dealerid=7446&v=1957+Lincoln+Continental+)
Listed for sale by Hi-Performance Auto Sales, Greenwood, SC. White/red, 56,251 miles.
C56Q3685 (http://autocollections.com/index.cfm?id=3293&action=details&tab=sold)
Sold by Auto Collections, Las Vegas, NV
C56R3746
Sold at auction by Coys in Houston, TX, 19-20 Sep 2009, $25,000, Green/Green-White
C56R3754
Martin Cooke, Higganum, CT (MKIIF)
C56R3757
Listed on eBay 290438936638 ending 30 May 2010 in Pahrump, NV
C56R3828 (http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1957-Lincoln-Mark+II-276575.xhtml;jsessionid=4434DB54DF05B200D19FF4EFA8 980113?actionMethod=find%2Fvehicle%2FvehicleSearch Results.xhtml%3AuShipController.init&conversationId=179654)
Listed for sale on autotraderclassics.com in Portland, OR.
C56R3838
Expired listing on eBay 170413578991, Black/White, Dec 2009
C56S3860
Listed in Hemmings May 2008, Green/Green-Green, 62,670 miles, Michigan title, Windsor, ON, Canada
C56S3900 (http://www.wangzhongyuan.com/autos/page3867.htm)
Listed on eBay 130221774756, located in Glennwood, NC, 82k miles
C56S3925
Mark B. Eskander (or Gerilyn Jelonek) Sherman Oaks, CA (MKIIF)
C56T3971 (http://www.rickcarey.com/MarketJournal/CCOMJ2005/RMAmelia2005CCOMJ.pdf)
Sold at auction by RM Auctions, Amelia Island, FL, 12 Mar 2005 for $36300.
Silver/Burgundy leather
C56T3989
Original Dealer Lee Moran Co., 1401 Twelfth Ave., Seattle, Wash.



All Updates Done!

[AXXel]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1956-Continental-Mark-II-VERY-RARE-CAR-1of-only-2550-/250641851171?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a5b6b2323 in Cocoa Florida, United States and in poor condition.

Axxel Knutson

[AXXel]

C5691354 at 56 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1956-lincolin-/140414106634?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item20b1553c0a
Axxel Knutson

[Doc]

The first car (#3289) Axxel mentioned above is the "Eisenhower" car that is discussed on another thread. IMO, it will be a true measure of the importance of celebrity provenance if someone is willing to take on that restoration...

[Barry Wolk]

Wait, wait, it was Eisenhower's brother's car. Who cares?:rolleyes:

Would Elvis' brother's car be worth any more?

[crystal59]

Wait, wait, it was Eisenhower's brother's car. Who cares?:rolleyes:

Would Elvis' brother's car be worth any more?

Elvis did not have a brother but in any event, I agree with Barry. A relatives car including a spouse does not have the same celebrity status. Mrs. Jack Warner car has no more value than another Mark II in the same condition no matter who may have sat in the car. Frank and Elvis Mark IIs, that is a different ball game. Gary

[Barry Wolk]

To some it's a different ball game. To most it's not.

[Doc]

Wait, wait, it was Eisenhower's brother's car. Who cares?:rolleyes:

Would Elvis' brother's car be worth any more?

Sorry, I was being sarcastic-:D-guess I've got to remember to include icons in my messages:o

Although, FWIW, I've overheard people who are supposedly knowledgeable about Mark IIs claim that Milton bought the car under his name so that Ike wouldn't be saddled with the stigma of having such an expensive car. And, on the other hand, Milton was the president of Johns Hopkins, etc. He was a celebrity in his own right ;)

[Chuck Lutz]

I'm going to look it up but in reading all the original owners I believe there was one Mark II sold to an Archdiocese somewhere. Esplain that one, Lucy!

[Barry Wolk]

It's the vow of poverty thing.;)

Don get me started, Lucy!

[Chuck Lutz]

Otay, Panky

[crystal59]

You guys are terrific and thoroughly enjoy the posts. I was going to sign "Elvis" but thought it may offend some rules or cause a stampede. All the same I mean it. Gary

[Barry Wolk]

Mother Teresa was given a new slab-side Lincoln.:rolleyes:

[crystal59]

Mother Teresa was given a new slab-side Lincoln.:rolleyes:

If that does not cause Elvis to get involved in this post, nothing will. Gary

[Chuck Lutz]

Mother Teresa was given a new slab-side Lincoln.:rolleyes:

Really? Didn't even know she drove. Probably didn't need insurance. Hmm, ya think?

[Barry Wolk]

You'd think she was well enough connected that she didn't need any.

Maybe Elvis bought it for her.:rolleyes:

[Ian Cowie]

Well, I finished searching the Weeb for all references to C56 VINs and compiled them in a previous post (http://www.markiiforum.com/showpost.php?p=8369&postcount=84).
Sorry Chuck, a bit of work for ya!
If I can offer any assistance to update the documentation ... just ask!
Pat, what of the list that Lowell has offered?
Lowell has asked me to share this listing with Forum Members. I have given him a copy of the Forum Data Base and he said that he will share his full list with the Forum.
Offer made ... offer accepted!

[Pat Marshall]

I have Lowell's list. He gave it to me in a Word Document. I just finished converting it to Excel. Now I'm doing some refining. It will be ready, soon!

[Barry Wolk]

I tried that with Lowell. Didn't work. What an asset he'd be.

[Barry Wolk]

Barry, I'll send it to you via private email. Look for it and let me know when you get it. Since this forum is public view rather than only by registering, anyone can see the information though, again, everything I post is "public access" so anyone with detective skills can get it.

Can say the previous owner was Dale Fowler of Spragueville, IA.

Eric

Eric,

I lost the contact info. Do you still have it? Never got a reply. Want to try again so we can add an entry into the data base for 1120.

[Bob Barger]

Barry, I clicked the link to the database and got an error message. I have adobe reader. What am I doing wrong? Bob

[Barry Wolk]

You should direct your question to Shelly. I had problems at first, too.