So what make is your title?

[awags]

I went to change the title finally on my car and noticed the existing title was registered as a Lincoln!! So making sure I filled out the new title information correctly as 'Continental' as the make, it still came back as Lincoln. Tho my insurance came back as Continental.
So what is on everyones title and insurance papers for make??

My title says (make – Lincoln) (Model – Continental) which is apparently very common. Getting the state to change that can be difficult as government never makes a mistake.

The problem for the average person is when you mention “Continental” they automatically think Lincoln. The same goes when people call the engine in the car a motor, there is a difference, but many will use the terms interchangeably.

While the California DMV is notorious for what they don't get right, one thing they did get right was the make on our registration; it's read "Conti" since the car's initial registration in 1955...

Mine is titled as a Linc. When I titled it in Florida the DMV used Kelly's Blue Book. There it was listed under Lincoln. They just wouldn't listen to my argument.

[Barry Wolk]

Tried to merge this with Shelly's thread and failed. Sorry.

http://www.markiiforum.com/showthread.php?t=1257&highlight=title

[Doc]

While the California DMV is notorious for what they don't get right, one thing they did get right was the make on our registration; it's read "Conti" since the car's initial registration in 1955...

I think in Barry's failed edit, my reply to Aaron's original post got put into his text--just wanted to clarify, the CA "Conti" was for our car, not Aaron's...

[chris cimarusti]

The State of New jersey, in its wisdom, does not recognize "Continental" as a car make. I am registered as a "Lincoln Continental"!! When I lived in Pennsylvania, it was the same.

[richroni]

Florida has mine titled as a "Linc". They used the Kelley Blue Book and of course it was listed there as a Lincoln. They just wouldn't listen to my explanation.

[EDIT] I also see my previous post is included in Aaron's original post. Perhaps he can still edit it to remove the extra posts.

[Barry Wolk]

I will write to Phil Skinner, editor of KBB Classics, to ask if he can correct the identification in his book.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/barry2952/1%20Mark%20II%20docs/MarkIItitle.jpg

[Barry Wolk]

Maybe this will help.

Hi Phil,

I'm sure you know that the '56-'57 Mark II was a Continental Division product, separate from other Ford Divisions. Most Mark II owners have fought with their SoS or DMV to get them to acknowledge that fact, but are always shut down because KBB lists them as Lincolns.

Can you help?

Barry

[Barry Wolk]

Barry, the biggest problem is that before 1956, Lincoln had build a Continental as a model, and it was never referred to as the Mark I. After the demise of the Continental Division, all assets were absorbed by Lincoln. 1958 saw the "Continental Mark III by Lincoln". In 1959 it was the "Lincoln Continental Mark IV". In our unpublished "notes" to the collector-car values, there is an explanation pointing out that Continental was marketed in a separate Division as a separate make, but for convenience, it is included in the Lincoln section of the book.

When I do auction report for Old Cars Weekly, Sports Car Market or other publications, I never include the word Lincoln when describing the Continental Mark II.

A little known fact, in 1956 Packard Motor Car Co. launched a new separate brand of automobile, the Clipper. While Clipper had been a model name for many years, in Fall 1955, Clipper was marketed as a new marque. The plan lasted just a few months as the incorporation of the Studebaker came to pass. In 1955, Chrysler spun off the Imperial as its own make and would continue to sell the Imperial as its own brand until 1972, yet because the Imperial was listed as a Chrysler prior to 1954, and was listed as a Chrysler after 1973, those non-Chrysler Imperials still get listed as Imperials.

It is interesting to note that in 1956 Kelley Blue Book along with its competitor NADA, listed the Continental as a separate make when new and late-model used cars.

And as an Edsel owner, I don't know how many times we have tried to make it clear the Edsel was a stand-along brand, but it still is consistently referred to as the Ford-Edsel.

However, you do bring up a valid point and as editor of the Kelley Blue Book, we should clarify the manufacturing status of these cars, at least the Continental and the Imperial. If it is at all possible, if in future editions we can put a statement in the book stating that these were stand-alone makes and are included in the Lincoln (or Chrysler) sections for convenience.

BTW, just spend week before Memorial Day at the Benson Ford center doing Edsel research. Thought about calling you, but time got tight. Hope all else is well. Did you ever secure your 1932 Continental?

Phil


My response:

Phil,

That would be great if you could make that distinction in the next KBB Classic. In the interim, could I tap you for a letter on KBB letterhead explaining that Continental should be considered the Make and Mark II as the Model? I would post the letter here for people to print out and take to their DMV or Secretary of State.

And yes, I did get a 50,000 mile survivor Continental Flyer that I'll be showing as such. It's so rare that the recruiter for the Concours of America had never seen one and invited it on the spot. It'll be at the Glenmoor Gathering, Orphan Car Show and the Krasl Art Center Concours in August. We plan on driving it across Michigan on US 12 and the Red Arrow Highway.

See you out there.

Barry

[Barry Wolk]

Phil's response:

I will see if I can put out a letter addressing the Continental issue.
Also, it sounds like fun with the Flyer!
Phil

[Bill Noach]

My response:

And yes, I did get a 50,000 mile survivor Continental Flyer that I'll be showing as such. It's so rare that the recruiter for the Concours of America had never seen one and invited it on the spot. It'll be at the Glenmoor Gathering, Orphan Car Show and the Krasl Art Center Concours in August. We plan on driving it across Michigan on US 12 and the Red Arrow Highway.

See you out there.

Barry
Barry, i saw somewhere, where you were conversing with a guy here in aust about your flyer? It was interesting, as they are somewhat obscure model. hope you enjoy your tour. regards bill.:)

[Barry Wolk]

Actually, the version you got downunder was shipped to Australia as a complete RHD car without the passenger compartment. The tarrifs were so restrictive that the Australian body makers thrived putting on bodies and assembling TKD kits. There 2 in Australia and one US version, but RHD in NZ.

[linmk2]

My Texas Title show make as CONT.

[Don Henschel]

Speaking of title, I noticed a very complete and what apeared to be a very restorable black 56 Mark with snorkles and air on Ebay. It was advertised as being sold with NO TITLE or keys and probably as a result only reached a bid of $2275.02!:confused: What is a Mark II or any other vehicle worth without a title? In Canuckastan I have always purchased vehicles with only a bill of sale, a receipt written out, or the insurance/license registration signed over etc. On American Pickers they discovered a collector/hoarder with various collectible Harley and Indian bikes. These bikes had no title and then they mentioned "no titles, all these are good for are just parts":confused: What does one do without a title when purchasing a car in the U.S. and is it probably not worth the trouble. Seems to me we would have troubles bringing a car without a title across the boarder. When I purchased my Mark II I never received an American title.

[SLK]

Most states didn't issue titles until the 70's. In NY the registration cards say transferable and you just sign it on the back when you sell. If you don't have a current or old registration, there are ways around that too.

[Don Henschel]

Yes thats the same way with our registration as well. You just sign over the vehicle with the dollar amount etc. So if most states didnt issue a title until 1970 it would be unfair to state that those Harley bikes were only good for parts and that this car by rights should be worth more if title concerns are the issues. This car was sold new in Indiana and is still located there.

[Milsteads Garage]

1957 Lincoln and my title was still in Buddy Holiday's name when I got it.